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Post #76
Monday February 12, 2018 5:27pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 998
Original post from kernn63

Navi. See YouTube link I posted above. He'd have a pragmatic alternative. Likely a 4-2-3-1.


Love the video and others by the user, very informative.

Speicially found another link about Pirlo... Not to deviate from the topic of the thread, seems like you do not have to be great defensively, thinking of Zelalam here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiwQ1E6r7vo

Lilshmike
Post #77
Monday February 12, 2018 10:53pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 820
If the USSF is serious about the national team, the next manager for the USMNT should meet the following:

  • Has coached a team in qualifying for, and playing in, a world cup
  • Has experience managing a team with true world class players
  • Has current knowledge of our player pool


Going by this, no American should even be considered. No disrespect, but none are good enough or have the international/WC experience required. If we hire a mediocre manager, then we should expect mediocre results.

Following up on that, there is only one person who we can realistically attain that checks those three boxes: Tata Martino.

bjelks
Post #78
Monday February 12, 2018 11:09pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 767
I really like Tata's resume
goalsense
Lilshmike
Post #79
Monday February 12, 2018 11:15pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 820
Hiring a manager with WC experience is self explanatory. He needs to know the grind.

Hiring a guy who has managed world class players is pretty important. The manager needs to know just how good true world class players are so he can better identify any of our players who share some of those same traits. Also, it will help because that knowledge can better prepare us for when we play teams stacked with those players.

Also, the guy should have current knowledge of our player pool because we don't want to bring in someone who knows nothing. If that happens, he'll basically be starting from square one. It will take about 2 years, between scouting the players, bringing them into USMNT camps on FIFA sanctioned dates, seeing/comparing them against one another/other international players, before figuring out a core of what hes working with. However, seeing as we are in somewhat of a transition period with a lot of young guys coming up, this is not as critical since its probably going to be taking place already.

Lilshmike
Post #80
Monday February 12, 2018 11:33pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 820
@bjelks
Tata Martino:
  • Has international/WC experience (Paraguay and Argentina, taking Paraguay to the QF of a WC)
  • Has coached true world class players (Argentina/Barcelona) and CLEARLY knows how to spot talent (see Atlanta and the players he has been bringing in)
  • Has at least a general understanding of our player pool since he currently manages in MLS (and he also relies on younger players which is something we are going to need moving forward)

Hes the only guy who makes sense. If not Martino, theres only one other guy who I think could be realistically hired and checks those boxes: Roberto Martinez (although, we doul have to wait until after the world cup and need to splash cash).

No American managers are good/experienced enough to take charge right now. However, if the USSF does go with an American, it should be Tab Ramos.

Its appalling that he wasn't made the interim manager after they got rid of Bruce. Dave Sarachan is a complete joke. He's been nothing more than an assistant his entire career and has no business being head coach of the USMNT. Tab has been involved in the national team set up as a youth coach for years, has deep knowledge of our player pool (specifically our youth pipeline which is VERY important right now), knows the players already since he coached a number of them, and will more than likely be a serious candidate for the full position later on down the road. He should have gotten it on the interim basis and managed both senior/youth simultaneously until the position was filled.

cudevil
Post #81
Tuesday February 13, 2018 12:42am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 696
Original post from Lilshmike

Hiring a manager with WC experience is self explanatory. He needs to know the grind.

Hiring a guy who has managed world class players is pretty important. The manager needs to know just how good true world class players are so he can better identify any of our players who share some of those same traits. Also, it will help because that knowledge can better prepare us for when we play teams stacked with those players.

Also, the guy should have current knowledge of our player pool because we don't want to bring in someone who knows nothing. If that happens, he'll basically be starting from square one. It will take about 2 years, between scouting the players, bringing them into USMNT camps on FIFA sanctioned dates, seeing/comparing them against one another/other international players, before figuring out a core of what hes working with. However, seeing as we are in somewhat of a transition period with a lot of young guys coming up, this is not as critical since its probably going to be taking place already.


I don't think the manager needs to have knowledge of the current player pool-at least not any particular in depth knowledge. Fact is, we just missed the WC for the first time in nearly 30 years. We're about as close to being back at square one as we can be. We've got a couple years before WCQ '22 starts. Bring in someone that will independently evaluate everyone and make the best decisions from there. No reason that taking 2 years to evaluate available players would be a particular problem at this point in time.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #82
Tuesday February 13, 2018 3:15am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,398
I'd be very happy if we selected Martino...my gut feeling is he would be a leading candidate. Also agree, Martinez would be my second choice.

Don't agree with Ramos as the leading American option...his player assessment and roster selection drives me nuts...pretty thin with regard to in game tactical adjustments. I wouldn't let Ramos get anywhere near it.

kernn63
Post #83
Tuesday February 13, 2018 3:30pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 298
I'd be on board with Tata as well (but I'd talk to both him and Biesla.)

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #84
Tuesday February 13, 2018 6:28pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 249
I seem to agree although I think 2 other names should be interviewed.

1. Cherundalo he is claiming the coaching ranks and better candidate would be

2. Wagner, he is doing a good job with a low budget.

I do not care if our new coach knows our players or not in fact I would almost rather they do not know any of our players. On of our problems was anyone on this board could pick the 23 that bruce, bradley and even JK would bring in.

I think we need someone who really looks at the pool and players not in the pool to build the team--

I really like Tata and Wagner but Tata is the better choice
Stoked
Lilshmike
Post #85
Tuesday February 13, 2018 10:42pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 820
@stoked3
1. Cherundolo so far has been nothing more than an assistant. I love the guy, but unfortunately that isn't good enough right now. Maybe a good option down the road, but not now.

2. Wagner is unrealistic. I like the guy, but we wouldn't get him. He just got to the Prem, he's not going to leave 1 year after reaching the pinnacle of world football. If he left now to coach the national team, the potential to expand his managing career in top-flight European football would more than likely diminish. Another good option down the road, maybe next cycle in 22/23, but not now only because its just not gonna happen.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #86
Wednesday February 14, 2018 10:40pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 249
Original post from Lilshmike

@stoked3
1. Cherundolo so far has been nothing more than an assistant. I love the guy, but unfortunately that isn't good enough right now. Maybe a good option down the road, but not now.

2. Wagner is unrealistic. I like the guy, but we wouldn't get him. He just got to the Prem, he's not going to leave 1 year after reaching the pinnacle of world football. If he left now to coach the national team, the potential to expand his managing career in top-flight European football would more than likely diminish. Another good option down the road, maybe next cycle in 22/23, but not now only because its just not gonna happen.


@Lilshmike I agree with you that Tata would be my number 1 choice but the point you raised re Wagner, seem to support my reason for interview other potential "unrealistic" guys. Tata could say he reached the pinnacle, with Barca/Argentina, he left barca after 1 yr, he left argentina i think after 2 yr. Look he is my top choice he play aggressive football, i think we have a nucleus of young guys who play top flight who will be able to play in his system--Im just thinking of continent plans bc here is a question.
1. he was 2 of the top positions in the world at club and national team level and his next move is to a start up mls team-that may indicate he wants to be a coach but with alot less stress than top jobs and the next Nats coach will be under a bigger spot light than an mls team
2. will he be committed for 4 years? history lately shows he is gone in under 2

again, hope he is the guy he seems to be a perfect fit, but I'm hoping they line up some dark horse candidates should he say no
Stoked
Lilshmike
Post #87
Wednesday February 14, 2018 11:52pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 820
Original post from stoked3

@Lilshmike I agree with you that Tata would be my number 1 choice but the point you raised re Wagner, seem to support my reason for interview other potential "unrealistic" guys. Tata could say he reached the pinnacle, with Barca/Argentina, he left barca after 1 yr, he left argentina i think after 2 yr. Look he is my top choice he play aggressive football, i think we have a nucleus of young guys who play top flight who will be able to play in his system-Im just thinking of continent plans bc here is a question.
1. he was 2 of the top positions in the world at club and national team level and his next move is to a start up mls team-that may indicate he wants to be a coach but with alot less stress than top jobs and the next Nats coach will be under a bigger spot light than an mls team
2. will he be committed for 4 years? history lately shows he is gone in under 2

again, hope he is the guy he seems to be a perfect fit, but I'm hoping they line up some dark horse candidates should he say no

Fair points on Tata

mandela
Post #88
Wednesday February 14, 2018 11:56pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 62
if huddersfield gets relegated...i could see wagner jumping at the USMNT job.

kernn63
Post #89
Thursday February 15, 2018 2:55am

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 298
Wagner would have his run at 1st division Club jobs even if Huddersfield were to get relegated. That was an effing miracle to get them up.

goods
Post #90
Thursday February 15, 2018 6:02pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 561
To me the coach is secondary to who the General Manager/technical director will be. The head coach at this moment is still to early to discuss.

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