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Post #91
Friday January 12, 2018 6:40am

Joined Jul 2012
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I think he just wanted to play in a WC as soon as possible. That's my theory anyway.

navi8132
New York
Post #92
Friday January 12, 2018 6:52am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,892
I was under the impression the Mexican NT coach came to his house to visit him. "Ok ok Jono, play for Mexico and you get a guaranteed ticket to Russia." "Deal."

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #93
Friday January 12, 2018 9:01pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 965
Original post from cudevil

Meh, I don't buy a lot of this, at least in the specific context of Gonzalez. He didn't slip through the cracks. He'd represented the US at every level, including playing up an age group. They clearly valued him.


If you run thru the entire article, you'll notice that USSF is somewhat(more than likely highly) partial to its ODP and Youth DA and trying to protect is brand rather than expand to new avenues. Why not explore Alianza? It is right under its nose, the cost should be minimal, I cannot imagine an Organization reluctant to engage with certain demographic...

Jzaval01
Post #94
Friday January 12, 2018 9:59pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,289
This kid felt more Mexican at the end of the day. US soccer and especifically Tab Ramos failed to make more gesture but fuck that. I agree with tab quotes and we dont need players that dont want to play for the US. I know you have nationalities with your parents influence and blah blah blah but you dont feel American enough then youre not american.

Just pathetic kids born raised and given more oppurtunities to succeed here in the US still value their parents country more. Especially when said country dont care about their citizens. The irony bye Jona.

Speed Elf
El Paso
Post #95
Friday January 12, 2018 10:07pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 326
I found this in the comments of Soccer America article. Good article, one thing I do have issue with though is the comment about his height and frame. Pulisic and Adams are shorter than 5'10" and growing into their slight frames.

http://beta.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-usa-mexi...
Go HABS
chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #96
Friday January 12, 2018 10:22pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,363
dfw-fan - I couldn't agree more.

Alianza presence in the Bay Area and in California is huge. I know for a fact those events are attended and highly valued by scouts from most of the Mexican clubs. Standout players are identified very early when they are still kids...U10s andU12s.

They're beating us to the punch identifying talent and establishing a positive bond with the families.

Big gap in our system.

navi8132
New York
Post #97
Friday January 12, 2018 10:52pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,892
There will soon be a reckoning in US Soccer. Mass firing of staff (assistant coaches, scouting heads, goober Rongen, etc)

blaise213
Post #98
Saturday January 13, 2018 12:15am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,545
Original post from Speed Elf

I found this in the comments of Soccer America article. Good article, one thing I do have issue with though is the comment about his height and frame. Pulisic and Adams are shorter than 5'10" and growing into their slight frames.

http://beta.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-usa-mexi...


The one knock I had with Gonzalez was his size. Our entire midfield would be super small.

Dave
Post #99
Saturday January 13, 2018 3:51am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 846
Original post from blaise213

The one knock I had with Gonzalez was his size. Our entire midfield would be super small.


While I agree that against certain types of opponents "Size" would/could have been a concern. But the nice thing about this cycles team is that it appears to have a wide range of players to choose from depending upon the type of style we're playing against.

Want a height advantage or compete against areal threats....Insert Parks.
Need an enforcer....Insert Jones/Canouse/Stanko
Need high energy/grit....Insert Adams/Gooch

Rotate based on who the opposition is, to avoid suspensions/injuries, and to keep players fresh during tournament play. We'll still be able to do this without Gonzalez, but it does mean we have 1 less quality option within the pool.

blaise213
Post #100
Saturday January 13, 2018 4:07am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,545
Dave you make much sense about rotating players based on competition but the last two coaches made Bradley an automatic starter in midfield

Dave
Post #101
Saturday January 13, 2018 6:57am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 846
Original post from blaise213

Dave you make much sense about rotating players based on competition but the last two coaches made Bradley an automatic starter in midfield


The last 3 coaches made Bradley an automatic starter. But until fairly recently (last 2 years) we didn't have much in the way of options.

2010 Cycle: Bradley, Clark, Edu (just back from injury), Torres,
Jermaine Jones (Injured)
2014 Cycle: Jones, Bradley, Beckerman, Edu (Injured), Torres (Not performing), Williams (Not Performing), Moralez (Not Performing), Diskerude (Not Performing), Kitchen (Not Performing/Overlooked)
2018 Cycle (Start): J. Jones, Bradley, Beckerman, Cameron (needed @ CB), Williams (Not Performing), Morales (Not Performing), Kitchen (Not performing/Overlooked)
2018 Cycle (Hex): Bradley, Nagbe, Cameron (Needed @ CB/Injured), Williams (Injured/Overlooked), Lletget (Injured), Morales (Not performing), McKennie (Just emerging*), Gonzalez (Just Emerging*), Adams (Just Emerging*), Hyndman (Injured) J. Jones (Injured/Old), Beckerman (Old), Kitchen (Not Performing)
2022 Cycle: McKennie, Adams, Parks, Scott, Gooch, Hyndman, Zelalem, Roldan, Canouse, Stanko, Jones,

* If not for coaching change from JK to Bruce I think all 3 of these players would have gotten a call up sooner. Bruce just didn't have a clue/guts to drop the veterans, as was confirmed by his stupid comment about Brooks & Miazga "would have been his starting CB's if we'd made the WC" when he completely ignored Miazga during the Gold Cup.

dolcem
Post #102
Saturday January 13, 2018 3:35pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,785
Original post from Dave

The last 3 coaches made Bradley an automatic starter. But until fairly recently (last 2 years) we didn't have much in the way of options.

2010 Cycle: Bradley, Clark, Edu (just back from injury), Torres,
Jermaine Jones (Injured)
2014 Cycle: Jones, Bradley, Beckerman, Edu (Injured), Torres (Not performing), Williams (Not Performing), Moralez (Not Performing), Diskerude (Not Performing), Kitchen (Not Performing/Overlooked)
2018 Cycle (Start): J. Jones, Bradley, Beckerman, Cameron (needed @ CB), Williams (Not Performing), Morales (Not Performing), Kitchen (Not performing/Overlooked)
2018 Cycle (Hex): Bradley, Nagbe, Cameron (Needed @ CB/Injured), Williams (Injured/Overlooked), Lletget (Injured), Morales (Not performing), McKennie (Just emerging*), Gonzalez (Just Emerging*), Adams (Just Emerging*), Hyndman (Injured) J. Jones (Injured/Old), Beckerman (Old), Kitchen (Not Performing)
2022 Cycle: McKennie, Adams, Parks, Scott, Gooch, Hyndman, Zelalem, Roldan, Canouse, Stanko, Jones,

* If not for coaching change from JK to Bruce I think all 3 of these players would have gotten a call up sooner. Bruce just didn't have a clue/guts to drop the veterans, as was confirmed by his stupid comment about Brooks & Miazga "would have been his starting CB's if we'd made the WC" when he completely ignored Miazga during the Gold Cup.


This is misleading. During Coach Bob's tenure, Bradley was still quite green, and we had plenty of other options. A lot of people saw Edu as being a better player and having a higher ceiling. And Feilhaber and Torres would have been immensely helpful with distribution and retaining possession, which was our biggest weakness that cycle. But Coach Bob made sure to never give Torres any decent opportunities and he always played Feilhaber on the wing. And Edu was always second choice to Bradley no matter what.

I'll never forget when Coach Bob rested our starters in a friendly against Spain in 2011, citing "fatigue," and then played them against a much weaker team a few days later. Edu, who had been a starter all year, played in the match against Spain, and Bradley, who hadn't seen the field in months (at Aston Villa) was rested in that match and played in the next (against a weak team, I forget which). Needless to say, Edu and the B team were destroyed by Spain, and Bradley and the starters won the next match against the minnows.

Let's not forget that not only were these other options not given the chances that Bradley got, he had the whole team completely built around him despite being a fairly unproven player. Bradley ended up going to Serie A and becoming a really solid player by anyone's standards (and as good as any field player in US history), but that was later.
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blaise213
Post #103
Saturday January 13, 2018 9:54pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,545
I'm glad you brought up 2011 Spain game. I was looking forward to Bradley not starting that game and Bob Bradley set that team up to get smoked.

dolcem
Post #104
Sunday January 14, 2018 10:29am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,785
Original post from blaise213

I'm glad you brought up 2011 Spain game. I was looking forward to Bradley not starting that game and Bob Bradley set that team up to get smoked.


Your basic premise about Bradley is right. We need players that "play ball." Real footballers that can make the type of plays that land on ESPN's top 10. That means having a lot of technical skill and even creativity. We need at least one or two of those types of players on the team, Bradley isn't that guy. Sure, hustle, grit and passion are great, and we need those types of players too, but at, like, RB, not CM. And since 2014 he has been downright awful. He should have been benched but because he's the favorite son of US soccer, he's so untouchable that no coach would do it (not even Klinsmann). It was under his leadership as captain that we had our biggest debacle in our history and he was a big part of that failure (poor form in the hex). He and Altidore have been the team's spine for a number of years and when they played like crap, we suffered. And we can only wonder if going to play in an inferior league in their primes had something to do with it.
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dolcem
Post #105
Sunday January 14, 2018 7:23pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,785
Original post from navi8132

I was under the impression the Mexican NT coach came to his house to visit him. "Ok ok Jono, play for Mexico and you get a guaranteed ticket to Russia." "Deal."


Plata o plomo.
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