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tylercocinas
Post #16
Tuesday December 12, 2017 5:50pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Original post from Know Nothing

I suppose it is more of a generational thing. I don't mind flash if you can back it up.

True, you need confidence...but to me that picture screams "look at me, I have made it!" If he continues to work hard and improve great...otherwise he will be passed by quickly and will be joining Freddy Adu in the Overhyped Overconfident Lounge for happy hour.

You referenced a famous boxer and someone else referenced Neymar and Pogba...well they made it and can flaunt it.


That's a very valid point, Know Nothing. Generational differences definitely play a role in terms of the way that we perceive stuff like this. Some folks prefer athletes to be (overtly at least) humble, keep their heads down, and work hard. I'm of the opinion that athletes can be flamboyant, confident, and still be hard working.

Honestly though, even if he wasn't boisterous in terms of his style, and he didn't pan out people would still say he was another overhyped American teenager. As long as he busts his ass in practice every day and treats people with respect, I say put on even more gold chains if it suits him.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #17
Wednesday December 13, 2017 6:57am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,336
As a life long defender, the best forwards have an annoying over abundance of confidence...pretty much required....no worries with Carleton.

Rey Regicide
Post #18
Wednesday December 13, 2017 4:47pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,978
Part of the distaste is that up until maybe the 90s and Shaq was the first to do this.

It was hard to disassociate the brand and the realm of hype and commerce with sports. Hype, fashion culture, etc all these peripherals are becoming, like it or not, intrinsic to the reality of players nowadays

and... agasp... politicians. I'll leave that there.

Technology does wonders, this would have cost a tremendous amount of money, getting photo equipment, the concept, a promo like this.. now you can do it with a selfie.

This is the individual taking the opportunity to explore his brand based solely on his notoriety as a rising star. That's American right?

navi8132
New York
Post #19
Wednesday December 13, 2017 5:44pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,831
I didn't make some sort of grand thesis on Carleton from the picture. It was a joke.

As far as Carleton goes, I do think if he were (able) to go to Europe at this age, he would be fighting hard to make it and no one would be heaping praise on him and taking pictures with him. The jewelry and one liners aren't the problem to me, its the fact that the easy, praise heavy environment he is in leads him to just live a life where he can focus a lot on having fun and going to practice (where he does give it his all, but if his environment is treating him like a star prospect then there's not enough motivation to really grow to a very high level).

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #20
Thursday December 14, 2017 1:56am

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 204
Original post from navi8132

I didn't make some sort of grand thesis on Carleton from the picture. It was a joke.

As far as Carleton goes, I do think if he were (able) to go to Europe at this age, he would be fighting hard to make it and no one would be heaping praise on him and taking pictures with him. The jewelry and one liners aren't the problem to me, its the fact that the easy, praise heavy environment he is in leads him to just live a life where he can focus a lot on having fun and going to practice (where he does give it his all, but if his environment is treating him like a star prospect then there's not enough motivation to really grow to a very high level).


I agree, for me, the chain and ego are not a problem. In fact, I want our players to have an ego and an over abundance of confidence.

The issue for Carleton is what others have mentioned. Is he engaged for a full 90 when things are not going his way. Does his creative flare produce positive team results or is he flashy but it doesn't benefit the team.

I hope he goes overseas to spain or netherlands, gets a dose of reality, works through it, and learns how to be a pro.

I would like to cut him some slack bc he is young, so here is to hoping develops into a good pro -he could be an asset to us if his heart matches Adams-and his skill is developed to make the team better
Stoked
Know Nothing
Post #21
Thursday December 14, 2017 4:45pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,264
Original post from navi8132

As far as Carleton goes, I do think if he were (able) to go to Europe at this age, he would be fighting hard to make it and no one would be heaping praise on him and taking pictures with him. The jewelry and one liners aren't the problem to me, its the fact that the easy, praise heavy environment he is in leads him to just live a life where he can focus a lot on having fun and going to practice (where he does give it his all, but if his environment is treating him like a star prospect then there's not enough motivation to really grow to a very high level).


Well he can't go to Europe full time just yet, but he can go on two week trial stints to put himself out there and allow clubs that may be interested a chance to work with him to gauge any further interest.

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