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skangles
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Post #271
Saturday September 7, 2013 5:45am

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Here's the thing, Jones played passes in the first half that led to direct Costa Rica chances on goal, Cameron didn't. Is Jones more athletic than Cameron, yes absolutely but if we want a more attack minded CM it should come for Jones not Cameron.

Now to be fair I need to note that Jones did significantly better in the second half but I think a Cameron-Bradley pairing is the best option we've seen in recent months.

I am totally shocked that we have three players suspended for the next match and Jones is not one of them. Given how thin we are at CM, Jones needs to start against Mexico but if we were at full strength I think it's a different story.

EKneezy
Post #272
Saturday September 7, 2013 5:49am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,794
Original post from skangles

I really don't understand the Cameron hate. The team as a whole was terrible tonight but Cameron was ok. He wasn't at fault on any of the goals, what did you guys dislike about him tonight?

This wasn't his best performance but relative to most of our team he was ok and more importantly he wasn't the reason we lost. If you add in that he only had a few minutes to prepare, I think he did alright. If he wasn't suspended I would advocate for him to start against Mexico and if a change in the CM were to happen it should be with Jones but his yellow card changes all that.


I don't like rating players when it's a loss. That's why it enrages me that Chandler was singled out in Honduras. EVERYONE WAS BAD. But yeah Mix should've came in around the 60 min mark. That game was totally different. CR was in a rut.

tardis91
Post #273
Saturday September 7, 2013 5:53am

Joined Jun 2013
Total Posts: 84
Original post from skangles

Here's the thing, Jones played passes in the first half that led to direct Costa Rica chances on goal, Cameron didn't. Is Jones more athletic than Cameron, yes absolutely but if we want a more attack minded CM it should come for Jones not Cameron.

Now to be fair I need to note that Jones did significantly better in the second half but I think a Cameron-Bradley pairing is the best option we've seen in recent months.

I am totally shocked that we have three players suspended for the next match and Jones is not one of them. Given how thin we are at CM, Jones needs to start against Mexico but if we were at full strength I think it's a different story.


I totally agree with you right now full strength Id rate Cameron over Jones based on form but Id rate Kljestan ahead of Cameron but thats because I really enjoy watching Bradley and Sascha play together. I understand Cameron provides more cover and Id be ok with that. Also absolutely agree if anyone was going to be suspended I would have thought it was Jones. On a relate note anyone see or hear what the Besler foul was?

rainORshine
Post #274
Saturday September 7, 2013 5:53am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,772
Original post from skangles

Here's the thing, Jones played passes in the first half that led to direct Costa Rica chances on goal, Cameron didn't. Is Jones more athletic than Cameron, yes absolutely but if we want a more attack minded CM it should come for Jones not Cameron.

Now to be fair I need to note that Jones did significantly better in the second half but I think a Cameron-Bradley pairing is the best option we've seen in recent months.

I am totally shocked that we have three players suspended for the next match and Jones is not one of them. Given how thin we are at CM, Jones needs to start against Mexico but if we were at full strength I think it's a different story.


cameron and jones were both poor. cameron gave the ball away far too much and offered nothing going forward

cameron has not played CM for club in years

cameron is a RB and WE NEED AN RB.

this should be pretty strait forward. play cameron at RB (or not at all)

CM options
- bradley
- kljestan
- jones
- beckerman
- diskerud

skangles
DC
Post #275
Saturday September 7, 2013 5:55am

Joined Jan 2013
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Chandler was pretty awful in that Honduras match, it was like he couldn't catch his breath.

I was an Orozco fan going into tonight and had even advocated him as our RB at various different times but you won't finding me doing that again anytime soon.

The whole team was awful tonight but Orozco was on a completely different level. The only thing I can say as a complement to Orozco is that Zusi was also atrocious getting back which magnified how bad Orozco looked.

I think there are some individual take-aways that can be made from a losing effort.

tardis91
Post #276
Saturday September 7, 2013 5:57am

Joined Jun 2013
Total Posts: 84
Original post from rainORshine

cameron and jones were both poor. cameron gave the ball away far too much and offered nothing going forward

cameron has not played CM for club in years

cameron is a RB and WE NEED AN RB.

this should be pretty strait forward. play cameron at RB (or not at all)

CM options
- bradley
- kljestan
- jones
- beckerman
- diskerud


Cameron would be more effective at RB agreed but in no way with current form taken into account is Jones and Beckerman ahead of Diskerud. They may play before he plays because he is more offensive minded and that might cause Bradley to not be able to venture forward as much, but he is a much better player right now than both those guys.

blaise213
San Francisco CA
Post #277
Saturday September 7, 2013 5:58am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,319
Original post from rainORshine

exactly

about half dozen things that seem obvious to everyone but JK:

- brooks needs to be on field. yea, he is super raw, but his talent level is just a notch or 2 above every other CB on roster. these are the kind of experiences he needs. besler and gonzo basically got first caps earlier this year, so there is really no justification to leave brooks out

- beasley. wasnt horribe, but why not just lock that side down with fabian? i think fabian is over-rated as a LM (although he did have a nice strike on goal). if CB situation was rock solid, might be a good option. that is not case

- no one thought orozco would start RB. wonder why

- jones is average. at best

- cameron is not a CM. for everyone who thought cameron was awesome at home v panama... panama is not very good - could not score a goal at home v jamaica tonight and is 5th best team in CONCACAF

- zusi is not starting material

- EJ is (still) not a LM

- dempsey not an automatic starter right now

and i have to say it, kljestan not a fixture on roster is complete joke


Everything you said is 100% on POINT

rainORshine
Post #278
Saturday September 7, 2013 6:00am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,772
Original post from tardis91

Cameron would be more effective at RB agreed but in no way with current form taken into account is Jones and Beckerman ahead of Diskerud. They may play before he plays because he is more offensive minded and that might cause Bradley to not be able to venture forward as much, but he is a much better player right now than both those guys.


interesting theory. i think people are WAY over-rating diskerud at this point. i hope he starts v mexico so we can really evaluate him

tardis91
Post #279
Saturday September 7, 2013 6:03am

Joined Jun 2013
Total Posts: 84
Original post from rainORshine

interesting theory. i think people are WAY over-rating diskerud at this point. i hope he starts v mexico so we can really evaluate him


While I dont think he is the best CM in our pool, and people do overrate him, on the current roster he is the best option to start with Jones. Beckerman Jones offers nothing going forward and wed see a repeat of tonight. Mix adds flair and can pick a pass, not great going back but in the last game he started in the Gold Cup his energy tracking back was great. Personally Id rather see Kljestan but he isnt available.

dunlopp9987
Post #280
Saturday September 7, 2013 7:29am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,078
Original post from rainORshine

exactly

about half dozen things that seem obvious to everyone but JK:

- brooks needs to be on field. yea, he is super raw, but his talent level is just a notch or 2 above every other CB on roster. these are the kind of experiences he needs. besler and gonzo basically got first caps earlier this year, so there is really no justification to leave brooks out

- beasley. wasnt horribe, but why not just lock that side down with fabian? i think fabian is over-rated as a LM (although he did have a nice strike on goal). if CB situation was rock solid, might be a good option. that is not case

- no one thought orozco would start RB. wonder why

- jones is average. at best

- cameron is not a CM. for everyone who thought cameron was awesome at home v panama... panama is not very good - could not score a goal at home v jamaica tonight and is 5th best team in CONCACAF

- zusi is not starting material

- EJ is (still) not a LM

- dempsey not an automatic starter right now

and i have to say it, kljestan not a fixture on roster is complete joke


You and I are on the exact same wavelength.
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skangles
DC
Post #281
Saturday September 7, 2013 3:49pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,917
Carlisle rated Zusi a 5.5. Zusi made some slight noise on offense in the second half but we cannot look past the fact that he didn't get back and defend at all when Orozco was self destructing. The whole argument for playing Zusi is that he works his tail off on both ends. After last night I am not willing to make that argument yet he still has some people like Carlisle fooled.

cudevil
Post #282
Saturday September 7, 2013 4:19pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 201
Quick question: how was the CR keeper not sent off? If a card is going to be shown, it has to red in those circumstances, no?

rjw77
Post #283
Sunday September 8, 2013 2:04am

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 265
I'm pretty sure nobody posted this yet but if they did I apologize. Jurgen has added Goodson, Corona, Brad Davis, and Torres to the roster. Makes sense other than I;m surprised he didn't add a striker. There must be something currently going on with kljestan because I don't see how he isn't ahead of any of those players.

admsghs27
Post #284
Sunday September 8, 2013 2:38am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,048
Original post from cudevil

Quick question: how was the CR keeper not sent off? If a card is going to be shown, it has to red in those circumstances, no?


Since a CR player dint foul him other than the goalie is a red when a usa player is the last man.. It was a set piece so a yellow at best.. If a field player would of fouled Fabian it would of been red... Or if it would of been during regular play and the goalie fouls him it could be a red on the goalie...

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