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Post #16
Saturday August 24, 2013 3:41am

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Original post from EKneezy

Yes we can. The Gold Cup proved that. It's just about implementing him into the A team and not losing cohesiveness from the June qualifiers.


I still disagree. Implementing him into the team is very important because he hasn't played with the top guys in a year. Since he hasn't developed that cohesiveness that everyone else has on the top team currently, I would say he is not a lock to start and would not be surprised if he didn't start against costa rica. JK has already shown he isn't going to just hand donovan a spot, at first on the roster and now in the starting lineup.

dolcem
Post #17
Saturday August 24, 2013 4:53am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 950
I know how much we all love Bradley but if he is benched this year (unlikely, but say there's a coaching change or something) than how would he climb ahead of Jones as a #8 and Cameron as a #6? I would definitely take Jones or Cameron playing for their club teams over Bradley on the bench. Of course a benched Bradley is ahead of an in-form Williams or Beckerman but Jones is almost as good as Bradley is and Cameron is a very solid DM. Would I extend that to Diskerud, Torres, or Klejstan? I think most American fans would pick Bradley but I think I might give the edge to one of the others (Torres in particular).

Original post from dunlopp9987

I think it's been very clear that when MB doesn't start, we're a different team. And not for the better. IMO, he's the only irreplaceable on our squad. With Jozy close behind.


What did you think of the Gold Cup?

Original post from rainORshine

i think there is 1 caveat regarding dempsey and donovan:

conceivable that AJ will demonstrate his worth as a starter and JK will develop a rotation where 2 of those 3 alternately start.

which would actually be pretty ideal considering CD and LD have a lot of mileage on their legs and games come pretty fast and furious at WC.

i think this scenario is more likely than starting all three at once

other than that:
gold star:
- bradley

silver star
- fabian
- josmer
- jones


I actually agree with this. I may have said otherwise in the OP but sometimes I think that Donovan might be best as a sub. He's getting old and slowing down and won't be able to be effective for the full 90 (he has always had the tendency to disappear during games). I really like Donovan coming on and running at tired defenses, being able to go 110% for 20-30 minutes. We want him at his best at the end of the game, when he can create a clutch goal (his specialty). As far as Dempsey goes, he will get the MLS off-season rest and I don't like the idea of having neither Dempsey nor Donovan on the field. He's also the captain and our best field player. I see him as a lock definitely.
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chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #18
Saturday August 24, 2013 6:40am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 185
MB is the most important player to the nats success. We're a mess without him in the middle of the field. Nobody else comes close to his overall game...great defensive positional discipline and top notch pressure relief via possession and savvy distribution. I would still start him even if he came out of a cryogenic freeze.

Still early in his career, but not too far behind MB would be Besler.

I would also include LD, we play at a different level when he's on the field.

navi8132
Post #19
Saturday August 24, 2013 12:58pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,593
Donovan has played for years with most of the players on the Nats A-team. He knows them well enough that a single year hiatus will not mess with anything.

dolcem
Post #20
Sunday August 25, 2013 10:45am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 950
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

MB is the most important player to the nats success. We're a mess without him in the middle of the field. Nobody else comes close to his overall game...great defensive positional discipline and top notch pressure relief via possession and savvy distribution. I would still start him even if he came out of a cryogenic freeze.

Still early in his career, but not too far behind MB would be Besler.

I would also include LD, we play at a different level when he's on the field.


During the Gold Cup we played some of the best soccer we have ever played (the best IMHO) and that was without Bradley...

I know how much we all like him but I don't understand how a benched Bradley starts over an in-form Jones or Cameron. We are so deep at CM. We even have Torres (who if played as CM, his natural position, will excel), Diskerud, and Klejstan too. I'd probably take a benched Bradley over the latter two, not Torres though.

I guess a lot of it depends on how important we think having players who start for their club teams matters...what do you guys think? I think benched players should only start if their back-ups are no good. I think after Dempsey and Donovan we seriously lack attacking midfielders (Johannsson might help things, and Shea starting at Stoke would really help a lot). Our options are guys like Corona, Bedoya Zusi, Torres, EJ, etc. Other than Bedoya and Corona (half wingers half CAM's) none of these guys are really wingers. Thus, Dempsey and Donovan are guaranteed startesr. Fabian Johnson might be too because of our dearth of left back options, and perhaps Altidore maybe because we don't have another striker of nearly that caliber (Gomez is getting old and Altidore is playing at a level right now that I have never seen from a US striker).
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chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #21
Monday August 26, 2013 2:21am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 185
I think what sets MB apart from the other options is between the ears. something that he won't lose by not playing. If he's not starting for his club but still fit and training, I'd still start him. I'm not a fan of Jones' game with the nats, he tries to do too much, he's undisciplined - runs all over and his passing is incredibly streaky. MB makes the right decision almost every time. I think his level of importance to the nats increases with the level of competition.

IMHO I think LD is an indispensable starter, I don't feel the same about Deuce...love the late goals, but he drives me nuts for the other 85 minutes. Also, when CD and LD are both on the field , LD's impact on the game is minimized by Deuce's presence...not a good thing. I'm in the minority, but I'd take Johannsson over Deuce at drop forward.

Kind of got off on a tangent. Regarding how important playing time is for club and the potential impact for nats selection, I think it varies with the quality and experience of the player...probably has less impact on a solid vet versus a younger player still learning the ropes...they need all the help they can get. It would be more important to their overall success with the nats if they were in rhythm.

MSantoine
Post #22
Monday August 26, 2013 12:11pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,608
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

Still early in his career, but not too far behind MB would be Besler.

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Besler? Really? The guy has played like 6 games with the nats. Lets see how he does against some of the big games coming up (Mex and CR) before we call him a lock. Brooks, Cameron, & Omar are all starting quality CBs so theres plenty of scenarios where Besler isnt a starter in brazil

richieJkulesaNY
Post #23
Monday August 26, 2013 1:09pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 757
Original post from dolcem

During the Gold Cup we played some of the best soccer we have ever played (the best IMHO) and that was without Bradley...

I know how much we all like him but I don't understand how a benched Bradley starts over an in-form Jones or Cameron. We are so deep at CM. We even have Torres (who if played as CM, his natural position, will excel), Diskerud, and Klejstan too. I'd probably take a benched Bradley over the latter two, not Torres though.

I guess a lot of it depends on how important we think having players who start for their club teams matters...what do you guys think? I think benched players should only start if their back-ups are no good. I think after Dempsey and Donovan we seriously lack attacking midfielders (Johannsson might help things, and Shea starting at Stoke would really help a lot). Our options are guys like Corona, Bedoya Zusi, Torres, EJ, etc. Other than Bedoya and Corona (half wingers half CAM's) none of these guys are really wingers. Thus, Dempsey and Donovan are guaranteed startesr. Fabian Johnson might be too because of our dearth of left back options, and perhaps Altidore maybe because we don't have another striker of nearly that caliber (Gomez is getting old and Altidore is playing at a level right now that I have never seen from a US striker).


Its simple really. Look at the games that actually mattered - Honduras and Panama, the WCQs w/Bradley and the GC w/o him. Im not sure how you can even entertain the idea of Bradley not starting, whether he's been benched or not, that week at Roma.

If your honest opinion is we have never looked better than the GC, then wouldnt you want Beckerman and Diskerud to start?

Right now, it should either be Bradley/Jones or Bradley/Cameron.

dolcem
Post #24
Monday August 26, 2013 3:15pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 950
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Its simple really. Look at the games that actually mattered - Honduras and Panama, the WCQs w/Bradley and the GC w/o him. Im not sure how you can even entertain the idea of Bradley not starting, whether he's been benched or not, that week at Roma.

If your honest opinion is we have never looked better than the GC, then wouldnt you want Beckerman and Diskerud to start?

Right now, it should either be Bradley/Jones or Bradley/Cameron.


Of course Beckerman and Diskerud are a huge step below Bradley. The opposition wasn't that strong. I was just countering the argument that we can't play without him...I think we can because we are deeper at CM right now than we have been at any other position maybe ever.

I'm not talking about Bradley being a bit-player with Roma...what if he didn't start for months? What if a new coach comes in and doesn't like him whatever reason (these things happen in soccer, remember Bradley at Villa)? What if he gets an injury and recovers right in time for the World Cup?

Those are all very unlikely scenarios but if this happened, why wouldn't we pick a Cameron/Jones pairing? Cameron has looked excellent as a #6. It may be premature but I'd venture to say he's almost as good as Bradley in that role. And Jones is a great #8. He hasn't always been the best for us but that's because he is usually asked to play the #6, which isn't his role. I think if Jones were paired as a #8 with Cameron his play would improve, and he could play almost as well as an in-form Bradley in that role. Jones has proven he is a great #8 for years at the club level.

I would bet my entire savings that Bradley is the starter in 2014. But if something were to happen I don't see why we wouldn't try a Jones/Cameron pairing. I don't understand why everyone thinks Bradley is so much better than Jones and Cameron that he doesn't need to play for his club...Jones and Cameron are great players.
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