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Post #31
Wednesday December 23, 2015 11:14pm

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Original post from dolcem

Can anyone think of anything good to say about Gonzalez other than the fact that he's big?

This isn't basketball. Size doesn't matter all that much. Most of the great CB's were small. Thiago Silva isn't big. Maldini wasn't big.

If Gonzalez never figured out how to trap or pass the ball by age 27 he'll never figure it out. This isn't gridiron, by the time you're in your 20's you can't really improve much in terms of fundamentals.


I second that.

Good for Gonzo but does it really matter? Brooks, CCV, Miazga, Alvarado are all younger and have much higher ceilings. Gonzo won't be much of a factor for the USMNT for much longer other than depth if we trot out a C or B squad ever. I like our future at the CB position.
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dolcem
Post #32
Thursday December 24, 2015 8:26am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from USAGunner

Yes and no. Depends on how good your training and coaching has been.
I'm not saying the Galaxy suck in those regards. But it's entirely possible that he gets better coaching at Pachuca that teach him the things he lacks. The things he lacks are things that can be taught even at an older age.

Laurent Kolscielny came to Arsenal in 2010 as a 25 year old. He was good, but lacked some things. He got better coaching and within 3 years at the age of 28 he was significantly better and is one of the better CBs in the world now.

So Omar if he got similar coaching (relatively speaking) than he absolutely could improve drastically over the next 2.5 years. Not saying he will, just that it absolutely is possible with the things he lacks.


The difference is at 25 Koscielny already knew how to kick a ball quite well. Omar can't. That's not something you can learn at 27. CB's develop later but I don't think you could find anyone as bad as Omar was at 27 who became a serviceable international player. He can get by in the MLS by being big and having decent aerial ability but that's as far as he'll get. Liga MX isn't known for its defending and so maybe he could become an OK player there but I hope to God our CB situation in Russia isn't dire enough for him to participate. As snipes said, between Brooks, EPB, CCV, Miazga, Alvarado, and veterans like Cameron and Ream, I think we'll be covered.
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USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #33
Thursday December 24, 2015 2:54pm

Joined Jul 2013
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I don't think we'll NEED him persay in Russia 2018. But an improved Gonzalez is only helpful for the USMNT. He might improve significantly and still not beat out Brooks, CCV, Miazga, Cameron, Besler, etc. Which would be the best situation for the USMNT.

As for not being able to kick a ball, etc. I'll just ignore the hyperbole and exaggeration. No point in discussing someone's attributes when they throw out comments like that.

No offense but you put yourself on the level of guys like adms and rain with comments like that. It's not a good look, and you are much better than that. It's not really any different than some of the comments the Altidore haters make about Altidore.

FTR I am not a Gonzalez fan, never have been, and I do not think he is very good, I do think the USMNT would be better off without him in the future. But this is absolutely a make or break move for him (regarding his USMNT prospects). If he flourishes and picks up being able to play defense against the more skilled and technically proficient LIGA MX attackers, then that is absolutely a good thing for him and shows a lot of progress.

No he'll never be as good as Cameron, Brooks, etc with the ball at his feet. But he doesn't have to be.
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Rey Regicide
Post #34
Thursday December 24, 2015 3:42pm

Joined Sep 2013
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"No he'll never be as good as Cameron, Brooks, etc with the ball at his feet. But he doesn't have to be."

This is true.

But then again, Klinsmann...

ah what's the point, that's only going to invite the same conversation of "he doesn't know what he's doing".

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #35
Thursday December 24, 2015 5:14pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Original post from Rey Regicide

"No he'll never be as good as Cameron, Brooks, etc with the ball at his feet. But he doesn't have to be."

This is true.

But then again, Klinsmann...

ah what's the point, that's only going to invite the same conversation of "he doesn't know what he's doing".


HAHA. lets not open up that bag...
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chillguy1992
Post #36
Thursday December 24, 2015 8:41pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,118
I think people underestimate how much a change in scenery can be a positive for players. This past year OG seemed to be going through the motions a lot. A lot of times last season he would play the wrong angle or play away from his strengths. Lets not forget he was very close to playing in europe and then he collided with chandler and that was done. He did have the motivation to want to go to a higher level of play. For him this is a move upward and I feel that he will be motivated to get back to where he was a couple years ago. Will he get back to the usmnt time will tell I kind of feel that he will end up like goodson was a couple years ago. Good but not good enough to make the World cup 23.

dolcem
Post #37
Friday December 25, 2015 2:09am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,787
Original post from USAGunner

I don't think we'll NEED him persay in Russia 2018. But an improved Gonzalez is only helpful for the USMNT. He might improve significantly and still not beat out Brooks, CCV, Miazga, Cameron, Besler, etc. Which would be the best situation for the USMNT.

As for not being able to kick a ball, etc. I'll just ignore the hyperbole and exaggeration. No point in discussing someone's attributes when they throw out comments like that.

No offense but you put yourself on the level of guys like adms and rain with comments like that. It's not a good look, and you are much better than that. It's not really any different than some of the comments the Altidore haters make about Altidore.

FTR I am not a Gonzalez fan, never have been, and I do not think he is very good, I do think the USMNT would be better off without him in the future. But this is absolutely a make or break move for him (regarding his USMNT prospects). If he flourishes and picks up being able to play defense against the more skilled and technically proficient LIGA MX attackers, then that is absolutely a good thing for him and shows a lot of progress.

No he'll never be as good as Cameron, Brooks, etc with the ball at his feet. But he doesn't have to be.


Whoa there buddy, those are some strong words. And I never said OG can't kick the ball. You didn't read closely enough. I said that he can't kick the ball well (unlike Koscielny, who is quite tidy with the ball at his feet).

I honestly can't remember the last USNT CB that was as bad as Gonzalez. It has been at least ten years. We'd have to go back to the Arena era.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #38
Friday December 25, 2015 10:48pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,747
LA Galaxy where aging stars go to retire now. LOL.

Ashley Cole in negotiations with the Galaxy. That's now 35 year old Gerrard and 35 year old Cole on the books. Hahahaha.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #39
Friday December 25, 2015 11:02pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,747
Not to mention 35 year old Keane. That's now 3 35 year olds in the first team starting 11. Lol.

coverby
Post #40
Friday December 25, 2015 11:29pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 500
Original post from 2tone

Not to mention 35 year old Keane. That's now 3 35 year olds in the first team starting 11. Lol.


Well, Bruce does like his vets.

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #41
Saturday December 26, 2015 4:43pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 998
Original post from coverby

Well, Bruce does like his vets.


Wonder if all "Foreign Player/Coach" haters would hate these moves. It is taking away opportunity from very skillful US players.

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