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snipes87
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Post #16
Tuesday December 22, 2015 10:56pm

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Original post from Jzaval01

Omar is gone to Pachuca. Another player moving to Mexico. I think good new challenge that can help him come back to national team level caliber. Seems like staying here in MLS has put him in a comfort zone needs to start over again and work to earn team minutes


Or he realized he needs to improve and that isn't happening in MLS. Not a good sign we now have 2 players about to jump ship from MLS to Mexico.
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Post #17
Tuesday December 22, 2015 11:34pm

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Good for him and good for the Galaxy. Now, they can use that DP slot on a quality player. Ever since he signed that DP contract he has been mediocre at best. Having Leonardo as a partner did not help but the Galaxy need two quality CBs.

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Post #18
Wednesday December 23, 2015 12:09am

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https://twitter.com/record_mexico/status/6793... Maybe Pachuca knows something that the Galaxy and USMNT doesn't. Maybe they can unlock the force on Omar.

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Post #19
Wednesday December 23, 2015 12:37am

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Excuse me not DP but TAM.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #20
Wednesday December 23, 2015 1:16am

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Original post from USAGunner

considering what his weaknesses are, and considering the style of play in Liga Mx compared to MLS...this is probably a great move (for USMNT).

We'll know if he can take the next step forward to being more than just a physical presence, and actually get the technical/tactical side of the game down. See if he can play at a faster pace.

Things we need to know moving forward for the USMNT. I predict he will either completely fall out of grace with the USMNT or he will be a defensive stalwart for the USMNT for the next decade with this move. Don't think there is much in between (unless others fall flat on their face too).


Crazy thing is Omar is just entering his prime. If this is a good move, this could open more doors for him and the USMNT. I thought he was awesome in 2014. 2015 was on and off. I could absolutely see him starting in 2018 though.

skangles
DC
Post #21
Wednesday December 23, 2015 5:15am

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I like this move for Omar and the MNT but I think it exposes the Galaxy. Maybe they'll be able to find a Ciman type of stud CB on the cheap, they're clearly going to have to do something.

camparkinson
Post #22
Wednesday December 23, 2015 5:29am

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I think Mexico will show off his lack of mobility and he'll never be a starter for USA again... hopefully I'm wrong and he's amazing but I just don't see it.

Great move for LA to cash in and free up a spot... please buy someone young and promising with it.

admsghs27
Post #23
Wednesday December 23, 2015 7:26am

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Would of rather seen him go to America. Maybe him and alvarado could of been a good cb combo. Anyways i think he will get better at pachuca and maybe move to a bigger club in a couple years.

Rey Regicide
Post #24
Wednesday December 23, 2015 1:59pm

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things omar gonzalez can't do

those stops on the nimble ghanain attackers in the box by brooks

the Geoff Cameron/Brooks burst into the attacking third vs Mexico in the gold cup/friendlies vs netherlands

exquisite balls on the ground that Brooks/Cameron offer, as well as individual technique

things Brooks can't do

the positioning sense gonzalez had in the barrage Germany had against us in the WC group stage game/positioning sense ream always has

gonzalez's aerial clearances in that game as well/cameron's clearances in azteca games

things Cameron can't do

clear a ball properly, lol jk, be more conservative with technique and positioning

extend to balls the way gonzalez and brooks can (they're both 6 5 6 6)

Stop with silly fouls, for some reason, I remember Brooks being VERY clean and tidy on challenges. Anti-Brooks people will probably say that's because he rarely goes into challenges and stays camped in zonal coverage- but then that's not necessarily a bad thing-but yea cameron picks up fouls by the boatloads

I think all of our CB's can contribute, they just are each better at different things, I don't feel there's a "waiting to see what he can do for USA" .

we already know =D

...=(

Those statements are probably best served for Miazga, Palmer-Brown, CartersVickers, any young CB we are in love with. Hopefully, they all can be everything those three above are good at without the mistakes each has at once.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #25
Wednesday December 23, 2015 2:19pm

Joined Jul 2013
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Rey,

Perhaps, but you leave out any possibility of improvement.
As of right now they only 2 that we know what we have and can't see any significant change in the future is Cameron and Besler.

Gonzalez with this move absolutely can improve (doesn't mean he will) at the things he is bad at. He still won't be good at those things, but if he can improve those things enough to where they are not a liability to go with his strengths, then we have a very good CB for the USMNT for probably the next 2 cycles at least. That absolutely could happen with this move (I'm skeptical it actually does).

Brooks absolutely can improve in his spatial awareness and tactical abilities. He is still very young, and those are things that are typically learned over years of actually playing in games. I have no doubt Brooks will improve on those things and be a very good CB.
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hamsamwich
Post #26
Wednesday December 23, 2015 2:45pm

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Gonzalez has been passed up by others. I think @rey was just about right in his post here- we all know what Omar is. Actually I think others have been passed by or ignored that could've potentially helped the team because the coaching staffs have always pushed Omar over others. No problem that's the coaches' job, but he no longer catches the imagination the way some of the younger players do.

@usaG- I will say he can improve as you say. More likely he gets exposed in liga MX in my opinion. We send all these players that shouldn't go to England over there, while our most English ready player goes to Mexico. Odd.

Know Nothing
Post #27
Wednesday December 23, 2015 4:25pm

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I like this move for Omar. Going to England would have been fine for his game as the style of play certainly does suit his skill set. But he is in a fight for USMNT with a lot of players, many with a similar skill set. He will be testing himself in a league that does not suit his skill set and he will either come out of it a better player or a demoralized one. Either way he is already in a fight for playing time on the USMNT, so why not try to improve and show more versatility in an effort to stand out from the pack?

Mojofc
Post #28
Wednesday December 23, 2015 5:12pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 966
Why would the Galaxy sell their best defender when they're overloaded on offense? Shouldnt they be trying to stack their defense to mimic their offense?
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dolcem
Post #29
Wednesday December 23, 2015 7:45pm

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Can anyone think of anything good to say about Gonzalez other than the fact that he's big?

This isn't basketball. Size doesn't matter all that much. Most of the great CB's were small. Thiago Silva isn't big. Maldini wasn't big.

If Gonzalez never figured out how to trap or pass the ball by age 27 he'll never figure it out. This isn't gridiron, by the time you're in your 20's you can't really improve much in terms of fundamentals.
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USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #30
Wednesday December 23, 2015 8:55pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Original post from dolcem

Can anyone think of anything good to say about Gonzalez other than the fact that he's big?

This isn't basketball. Size doesn't matter all that much. Most of the great CB's were small. Thiago Silva isn't big. Maldini wasn't big.

If Gonzalez never figured out how to trap or pass the ball by age 27 he'll never figure it out. This isn't gridiron, by the time you're in your 20's you can't really improve much in terms of fundamentals.


Yes and no. Depends on how good your training and coaching has been.
I'm not saying the Galaxy suck in those regards. But it's entirely possible that he gets better coaching at Pachuca that teach him the things he lacks. The things he lacks are things that can be taught even at an older age.

Laurent Kolscielny came to Arsenal in 2010 as a 25 year old. He was good, but lacked some things. He got better coaching and within 3 years at the age of 28 he was significantly better and is one of the better CBs in the world now.

So Omar if he got similar coaching (relatively speaking) than he absolutely could improve drastically over the next 2.5 years. Not saying he will, just that it absolutely is possible with the things he lacks.
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