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venicebeachbull
Post #751
Tuesday April 1, 2014 1:18am

Joined Jun 2012
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EDU for CB!

richieJkulesaNY
Post #752
Tuesday April 1, 2014 4:27pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 963
Original post from Mojofc

Not backing either player, just putting some thoughts out there. Saying that, if we rely on either of these players we're showing how limited our squad is (it is). I hope Danny Williams continues playing well and stays healthy going into camp.

Saying that, I agree, we know what Edu brings. He brings a style of play that limits passing at this level. I rarely watched his matches in the league play in Scotland, but his Champions League matches, he seemed severely out of his depth. Not even getting close to ever becoming a starter over a few seasons in the EPL shows how limited he is considering the squad he went to wasn't known for their passing ability, they were known for their defense and over the top attack which pretty much suits his game.

As of now, I'd put our best as:

Jozy
AJ/FJ - LD - Zusi
MB - Cam/DW
DMB/FJ - Besler - Gonzo - Cam/FJ
Howard


Exactly, both players are not very good when it comes to the "higher" international level. I remember Beckerman against France and he was clearly out of his depth. I remember Edu against Honduras and Mexico in WCQ, and he looked just as bad.

Their decision making is slow and poor, both prone to turnovers, and their positioning against good, quick teams is awful. They are always chasing the game.

Its an Edu versus Beckerman argument only because of this Mexico friendly, but I wouldnt take either of them to Brazil.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #753
Tuesday April 1, 2014 6:33pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,967
Edu is frightened with the ball. He can't deal with someone running at him. Which is a big problem.

KB is just slow and unathletic. He's pretty confident with the ball.

rainORshine
Post #754
Friday April 4, 2014 2:08am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,787
wanted to see what went down v mexico but...

with benny f picking up right where he left off at the end of last season id lean towards slotting him in front of bradley and williams. since play-offs started last season has pitched in a couple goals, 3 assists for SKC and has really been at his play-making best... which is about as good as it gets as far as USMNT program goes

----feilhaber----
--bradley--williams--

asking williams to stay home would allow for MB to join the attack with regularity

obviously JK will never consider

hamsamwich
Post #755
Friday April 4, 2014 2:45pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 671
Jermaine Jones is pacing himself to get ready for the World Cup. Not playing much hasnt seemed to hurt Bradley early on in the MLS season, dare I say his legs look fresh. After a few knee troubles, to me its a blessing in disguise Jones has only played off and on this season. He will have plenty of time to find his "form" and "rhythm" in the month long run up to the World Cup.

The German Godfather will be a beast against Ghana, doubters be warned.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #756
Friday April 4, 2014 3:49pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,256
Here is a very good question pertaining to MB90. I am listening to Soccer Morning and Jason threw out this scenario:

Right now MB90 is being considered as the best player in CONCACAF. If MB90 leads the USMNT to the knockout rounds at the WC, and is the clear star player for the USMNT, will a major European team try to buy him form Toronto this summer?

A. Will Bradley go back to Europe?
B. Should he go back to Europe?
C. Would you rather see him play for lets say a Manchester United instead of Toronto?
D. Would Toronto even sell him?

Mojofc
Post #757
Friday April 4, 2014 3:53pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 688
Original post from 2tone

Here is a very good question pertaining to MB90. I am listening to Soccer Morning and Jason threw out this scenario:

Right now MB90 is being considered as the best player in CONCACAF. If MB90 leads the USMNT to the knockout rounds at the WC, and is the clear star player for the USMNT, will a major European team try to buy him form Toronto this summer?

A. Will Bradley go back to Europe?
B. Should he go back to Europe?
C. Would you rather see him play for lets say a Manchester United instead of Toronto?
D. Would Toronto even sell him?


Was thinking the same thing during the Mexico game. Really can't believe Europe let him come back to MLS.
Rain, rain, go away Come again another day - USMNT, MUFC
navi8132
Post #758
Friday April 4, 2014 4:01pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,057
He came here to accomplish something. The growth of the league. Michael Bradley doesn't leave until the job is done. Case closed.

TheTruth
Post #759
Friday April 4, 2014 6:17pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 279
Wrong. Case re-opened. What's the "job" again? And when is this job "finished?"

I'm sure MB90 came for a few reasons and I'm sure he had plenty of options in Europe as well. Of course it's possible he goes back to Europe with a strong showing at the WC that results in a Euro team shelling out big $$ to buy him.

Don't get me wrong, I do think MB90 back does help grow the league. And there could certainly be an INflux of people from to MLS after the WC.

Still a bit of a bias against American players in Euro IMO. Moneyball kinda opportunity if you ask me. Nothing like a strong showing at the WC to counter the bias (Remember, EJ went to the EPL after just a few good touches in 2006!). I've always wondered what that scout is doing now that brought him over to Fulham. The poor bastard.

But MLS is getting better and I think people often fail to realize that the U.S. is a great place to live (Toronto! Eeh gads, who would want to live there, but it's probable better than Manchester).

dolcem
Post #760
Sunday April 6, 2014 2:05am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,064
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Bradley can play how he wants to play because he is our best player. We go where he goes. The USMNT's best chance is with him as a box to box midfielder with his influence everywhere on the field. Why would you want to limit our best player?

Our offense would suffer with him stuck in a #6 role. You really think Jones, Kljestan, Diskerud will be able to control the game offensively against Germany and Portugal? There would be a significant downgrade to that role if you move Bradley out of it, and in turn, you downgrade the team.


The US's only chance at advancing in this world cup is with a boss #6 protecting our woefully awful defense. We need someone to help mark Cristiano Ronaldo in particular. That means playing Bradley instead of Beckerman, Edu, or Williams. Playing him as a #6 doesn't "limit" him...sure it might 'limit' him offensively, but then playing him as a #8 would 'limit' him defensively. He can still contribute offensively as a #6, on set pieces, which is who he scored his first goal on Thursday. You can point to how well he played as a #8/#10 against Mexico, but then you can also point to how awful our defense was when Mexico decided to play. Had Bradley been a #6 he would have broken up Mexico's attacks and maybe we would've won. Your problem is that you assume that offense matters more than defense but it doesn't. Having a great #6 is just as valuable as having a great #8. Would Jones, Diskerud, Torres, or Kljestan play the #8 as well as Bradley would? Jones might (if paired with a #6 and with license to roam forward, though he is getting old), but even if they wouldn't, I would way rather have one of them on the field than Beckerman, Edu, or Williams.

Also, you're misinformed if you think the #8's job is to "control the offense." Our "offense" primarily consists of our three attacking mids and the striker. In a 4-5-1, the #6's job is to protect the defense and pass the ball off to another mid (usually the other center mid). The other CM's job is similar, to serve as a link between the defense and attack, but his most important role is distributional: to pass the ball to the attacking mids. The best example of this is Xabi Alonso at Real Madrid. If you want to play the ball on the ground, it's best to use a deep-lying playmaker (Torres is our only one of those). If you want to play a more aerial game, use a box-to-box #8 (this had been Jones' role at Schalke over the years, and we also have Bradley, Kljestan, Diskerud, and even Edu that can play that role).

Of course Bradley excels at that role (just as he would excel as the #6) but the team sometimes suffers a bit. He always wants to be the guy making the play and roams around all over the field, pushing very high up. This means that there's a very good chance that he'll be the one to make the play (and he'll receive praise from everyone because of his individual play), as he did on the second goal versus Mexico, but the team gets badly exposed when he goes so far forward. In the second half against Mexico this was very apparent. Mexico exploited the acres of space between Bradley and Beckerman (and it didn't help that Bradley was really gassed from running around too much in the first half) and Beckerman was not good or fast enough to cover that much ground and protect our joke of a defense against the Mexican attackers. This isn't basketball, there's more to it than simply letting your best player do whatever he wants. As good as Bradley is, he's not Maradona. We have to consider what is best for the team overall, and the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

I would way rather have Bradley sitting deep and breaking up the attacks of Ronaldo and Ozil, paired with Jones (if we want to be more physical and play through the air) or Torres (if we want to play on the ground), than have Bradley running around high up the field with Beckerman, Edu, or Williams completely alone protecting our defense (which features Omar at RCB, the side Ronaldo cuts into...yeah). The latter is a recipe for disaster, even if it means Bradley getting more glory.
NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHAT LINEUP YOU USE IN FIFA
MSantoine
Post #761
Sunday April 6, 2014 2:10am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,234
Original post from 2tone

Here is a very good question pertaining to MB90. I am listening to Soccer Morning and Jason threw out this scenario:

Right now MB90 is being considered as the best player in CONCACAF. If MB90 leads the USMNT to the knockout rounds at the WC, and is the clear star player for the USMNT, will a major European team try to buy him form Toronto this summer?

A. Will Bradley go back to Europe?
B. Should he go back to Europe?
C. Would you rather see him play for lets say a Manchester United instead of Toronto?
D. Would Toronto even sell him?


The worst thing for me regarding Bradley, and I don't blame him for coming to mls given the circumstances, but I get pissed every time I look at the Serie A standings. Do people realize Roma is about to win serie A. That means Bradley could have been the first American to win a big 4 league ever. It's a shame he won't be there when they lift the trophy next month.

rainORshine
Post #762
Sunday April 6, 2014 2:47am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,787
williams and edu both on the score sheet today

ill take either over jones (or beckerman)

bradley--williams

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #763
Sunday April 6, 2014 2:51am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,199
Original post from rainORshine

williams and edu both on the score sheet today

ill take either over jones (or beckerman)

bradley-williams


The one I've been calling for a while now. I hope it happens.

dolcem
Post #764
Sunday April 6, 2014 3:40am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,064
Original post from MSantoine

The worst thing for me regarding Bradley, and I don't blame him for coming to mls given the circumstances, but I get pissed every time I look at the Serie A standings. Do people realize Roma is about to win serie A. That means Bradley could have been the first American to win a big 4 league ever. It's a shame he won't be there when they lift the trophy next month.


Bradley is the type of player who peaks very late. He could have solidified his status as the best American field player in history...Roma is probably going to get rid of Pjanic and Bradley could have been a starter next year...in the Champions League...for one of the biggest clubs in the world. He could have earned more respect for yanks in Europe (when European scouts see that somone from the MLS can reach such heights, tbey'll be more inclined to buy American). He could have put his name in the history books. Instead he took the big paycheck at 26. We'll always wonder what could have been with him.

And let's also not forget that he decided after spending the season on the bench, to take a two month break from soccer and then show up to a team full of new players in an inferior league. Sure he started off great against Mexico but disappeared as the game went on because he was so gassed.

We've been told over and over again that MB90 is the greatest warrior and competitor to ever wear the US shirt but money matters to him more than anything. Sure I'd expect that from EJ but what Michael did was very disappointing, even if it was good for the MLS.
NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHAT LINEUP YOU USE IN FIFA
EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #765
Sunday April 6, 2014 6:14am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,967
I honestly dont understand the bashing from you Dolcem. Especially from a guy who knows that the US wants to play with attacking intent. Bradley gives us that plus equal adeptness in defending. Him as a 6 is dumb. No other option is as good as him pushing forward. We have plenty of options at holding midfielder.

Also the Roma thing is done and dusted. You're gonna lose sleep over that.

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