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rainORshine
Post #31
Friday August 16, 2013 8:44pm

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Original post from logicoverall

I thought it was only once, but someone above told me it was twice. Anyone know for sure? I think it was just the Panama game.


1 start. subbed in for jones the following game (like 70th minute)

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #32
Friday August 16, 2013 8:49pm

Joined Sep 2012
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I thought it was twice, but I could be wrong.

Nick4235
Boston, Mass
Post #33
Friday August 16, 2013 8:50pm

Joined Apr 2013
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Original post from logicoverall

I thought it was only once, but someone above told me it was twice. Anyone know for sure? I think it was just the Panama game.

I think he only started once which was against Panama but he also came on as a sub in the game against Jamaica when Jones got hurt. So that may be what he means by saying he's played twice.

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #34
Friday August 16, 2013 9:06pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from Nick4235

I think he only started once which was against Panama but he also came on as a sub in the game against Jamaica when Jones got hurt. So that may be what he means by saying he's played twice.

Yes! Forgot about the Jamaica game. He was just ok for me coming on as a sub. Much better in the start.
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alexjs93
Post #35
Friday August 16, 2013 9:26pm

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I think Bradley-Cameron is the best bet moving forward. We seem to have depth developing at CB, and Cameron has the ball skills and experience to play CM at a high level. The both can do the job in the double pivot of the 4-4-2 or the 4-2-3-1, and additionally, they have some clear roles if we go 4-3-3 or 4-5-1, with Cameron as a 6 and Bradley as an 8. Bradley is our best link-up midfielder. Jones thinks he is, though, from what I can tell, and that's what gets us in trouble.

dolcem
Post #36
Saturday August 17, 2013 4:00pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Why am I the only one who ever mentions Torres in the list of CM's...

For the USNT under Kilnsmann he has only played there once or twice. Every other time he has been tried as an LM (occasionally as CAM), not his position.

I know he hasn't been all that impressive but I think he is figuring out the position and he had some very good showings in the Gold Cup, particularly against Costa Rica. The British announcers said he was one of the best players for the US that tournament.

If we played Jones, Bradley, Beckerman, Diskerud, Klejstan, etc. only on the wing and they didn't look that impressive, would we write them off as not being good enough for the NT? It's only fair to give players a chance at their natural position. I know Torres was tried as a DM under Coach Bob but in a 4-4-2 (especially with the style we were playing) that doesn't fit his skillset at all. He is a deep-lying playmaker, one that can play as one of the CM's in a 4-5-1.

He never got to play there under JK because he is so skilled on the ball and we are so short of attacking depth that Klinsmann has always tried playing him as an attacking mid, even saying that he wanted to give Torres "the keys to the team." That shows how talented he is. This guy was going to Valencia before he got hurt...how many of our players could have gone there?
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rainORshine
Post #37
Tuesday August 27, 2013 9:53pm

Joined Dec 2012
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Jones ejected in the 64th minute today in crucial CL playoff after 2nd yellow. Schalke still able to squeeze by a pretty weak Greek side into CL group stage, but its a reminder that JK must prioritize identifying an alternative to jones in CM

kind of hoping to see schalke (jones) and anderlecht (kljestan) matched up in same CL group - only 2 US players in competition going mono y mono in the center of the park

admsghs27
Post #38
Tuesday August 27, 2013 9:58pm

Joined Nov 2012
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shalke, jones got lucky with that winner.. if not it would of been 100% jones fault had they lost..

skangles
DC
Post #39
Wednesday August 28, 2013 2:49am

Joined Jan 2013
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Original post from alexjs93

I think Bradley-Cameron is the best bet moving forward. We seem to have depth developing at CB, and Cameron has the ball skills and experience to play CM at a high level. The both can do the job in the double pivot of the 4-4-2 or the 4-2-3-1, and additionally, they have some clear roles if we go 4-3-3 or 4-5-1, with Cameron as a 6 and Bradley as an 8. Bradley is our best link-up midfielder. Jones thinks he is, though, from what I can tell, and that's what gets us in trouble.


Good post. Welcome to the boards.

chillguy1992
Post #40
Wednesday August 28, 2013 3:04am

Joined May 2013
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Jones was also at fault for the first greek goal bad performance for jones. He can be good but I still dont think he works with bradley. Cameron did well with bradley and I think klijestan should get a shot. Even diskerud and torres could potentially pair up with bradley torres since he has been mostly played out of position and diskerud i thought was unfairly subbed out in the bosnia game instead of jones. Jones isnt the partner for bradley I hope klinsmann can actually bench jones rather then praise him for bad performances.

rainORshine
Post #41
Wednesday August 28, 2013 3:52am

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i have to say that i think cameron is over-rated as a CM option at this point. i think he might be a decent option coming off the bench trying to hold a lead, but i think with what has developed at stoke so far this season, he is not in any way a good candidate to start at CM.

he is playing RB for stoke. for the most part, he played RB for stoke last season. before that he played CB for houston. everyone agrees that he had a nice game in CM home to panama, but at the time there was speculation that he might get minutes at CM for stoke, so it was not a stretch to think of him as a legit CM option.

but that is not happening. and 1 good game home to the 5th best team in CONCACAF is just not enough, for me, to really put him in the conversation to possibly start at CM.

people talk a lot about the depth at CM, but I dont really see it. after BRADLEY, JONES and KLJESTAN there is a pretty big drop down to BECKERMAN (started GC final) and DISKERUD (did not start GC final and has never proven himself outside of very weak norwegian pro league (much worse than MLS), nor does he produce any offense with rosenborg - 2 goals, 1 assist in over 1300 minutes (21 apps) this season, 0/1 in last 16 apps).

TORRES is obviously behind diskerud based on gold cup and WILLIAMS has just about dropped completely out of the picture.

i think it is safe to say that there is a spot waiting for EDU when he is healthy

not counting cameron as a CM (i think he is needed where he actually plays - at RB), heres how i would look at WC prospects

in
- bradley
- jones
- kljestan
- edu

possible
- beckerman
- diskerud

out
- torres
- williams

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #42
Wednesday August 28, 2013 8:00am

Joined May 2013
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I like Cameron shading behind MB. The chemistry was immediate. They were on the same page...miles ahead of the Jones/MB combo, and it allowed MB the freedom to get forward and have a greater impact on the game. With that said, JK values Jones' presence and his leadership role among the other German-Americans. Jones not starting would cause problems in the locker room...no way JK takes that risk. So barring injury, I think we have to live with the Jones/MB combo.

naopon
Post #43
Wednesday August 28, 2013 10:10am

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Jones showed the ultimate Jekyll/Hyde performance in the 2nd leg against PAOK. To his credit he was responsible for creating the opening goal with a ridiculous laser beam pass.

The dude really needs some rest. His back has been bothering him for the past month and it clearly has hurt his performances, but Schalke really has no option but to keep playing him as their central defense has been in shambles, everyone and their dog is injured and the other central midfield options are pretty unconvincing. Now that they're into the CL group stage (about 10 million Euros at stake in the playoff?), hopefully they can find some way to rotate in and out a bit.

I still think JJ/MB can work, but to some extent it's contingent on who ends up playing in attacking midfield as well as left/right back. Today JJ looked pretty good when playing deep, occasionally dropping in between the 2 center backs to allow the fullbacks to play high up the pitch. He can create some havoc in the attacking half on occasion, but it's just a bit risky and leads to lost balls, counterattacks and bookings.

dolcem
Post #44
Wednesday August 28, 2013 4:33pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from rainORshine

i have to say that i think cameron is over-rated as a CM option at this point. i think he might be a decent option coming off the bench trying to hold a lead, but i think with what has developed at stoke so far this season, he is not in any way a good candidate to start at CM.

he is playing RB for stoke. for the most part, he played RB for stoke last season. before that he played CB for houston. everyone agrees that he had a nice game in CM home to panama, but at the time there was speculation that he might get minutes at CM for stoke, so it was not a stretch to think of him as a legit CM option.

but that is not happening. and 1 good game home to the 5th best team in CONCACAF is just not enough, for me, to really put him in the conversation to possibly start at CM.

people talk a lot about the depth at CM, but I dont really see it. after BRADLEY, JONES and KLJESTAN there is a pretty big drop down to BECKERMAN (started GC final) and DISKERUD (did not start GC final and has never proven himself outside of very weak norwegian pro league (much worse than MLS), nor does he produce any offense with rosenborg - 2 goals, 1 assist in over 1300 minutes (21 apps) this season, 0/1 in last 16 apps).

TORRES is obviously behind diskerud based on gold cup and WILLIAMS has just about dropped completely out of the picture.

i think it is safe to say that there is a spot waiting for EDU when he is healthy

not counting cameron as a CM (i think he is needed where he actually plays - at RB), heres how i would look at WC prospects

in
- bradley
- jones
- kljestan
- edu

possible
- beckerman
- diskerud

out
- torres
- williams


It is true that we have seen very little of Cameron at CM, and maybe we're overreacting to one good performance, but considering the fact that we don't have a true #6 in our player pool, it's good to hope. There's nothing wrong with a player playing a different position for the national team...it's fairly common. Cameron definitely should get more tries and if he continues to excel there's a case for him starting as a center mid alongside Bradley.

Please enlighten us as to why Torres is now below Diskerud in the depth chart for CM considering he played LM the whole tournament...totally not his position but he did pretty well (Derek Rae and the other British commentator said he was one of the best players of the tournament and that they were surprised he didn't play in the final).

How is Edu in? How is he even above Diskerud? Considering how good Diskerud looked and how well we played those games, I don't see why he's not above Edu (whose performances for the NT of late have been mediocre). And there's no way you can make the claim that he does not "produce any offense" at Rosenborg based on his lack of assists...CM's usually don't get a lot of assists. If you've watched him play a lot for his club than you can make that claim but I doubt any of us have. This isn't baseball; you can't just follow the box scores.
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dstones77
Hagerstown, MD
Post #45
Wednesday August 28, 2013 4:43pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 216
As long as Klinsman just says "hey Jermain you're F*ing everything up when you try to go forward. MB is better than you, get over it. Be the defensive force."

we'd be fine lol

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