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Post #301
Monday November 18, 2013 1:54am

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Original post from rainORshine

i completely agree about jones - why i would station him at a 6

why do you think JK does not get more criticism for clarifying jones' role in that manner?


Good question. I dunno. This point always seemed obvious to me, but what the hell do I know?

Dimo
Post #302
Monday November 18, 2013 1:58am

Joined Nov 2013
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Original post from rainORshine

i just think it is disrespectful way to describe someone who is clearly one of the best 20 american soccer players


Even with all your bias, I still find it hard to believe that you actually think this...

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #303
Monday November 18, 2013 3:06am

Joined Nov 2012
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Jeez....Rain....it's getting bad. I have no problem with him trying Sacha at the position he did. I think JK has his 11-15 set for next year so he is trying to find those last guys, guys that need to be versatile and can play multiple roles. He has done the same thing with Mix. Yesterday, he found out that Sacha is limited to the 6 and the 8. No big deal. He will most likely get a shot at one of those roles Tuesday.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #304
Monday November 18, 2013 3:44pm

Joined Jul 2013
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Original post from Dimo

Even with all your bias, I still find it hard to believe that you actually think this...


Hhahaha me too. Rain, I'm all for SK to start next to MB. But tt isn't going to change anything. Jones is starting next to Bradley in Brazil. Whether SK lights up Austria for 3 goals or gives away 2 critical turnovers in our own box.
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navi8132
Post #305
Monday November 18, 2013 7:44pm

Joined Jul 2012
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I am not that big of a Kljestan fan, but to judge Kljestan for a CAM appearance is ridiculous. That game showed us nothing. OF COURSE he wasn't going to be good there.

dolcem
Post #306
Monday November 18, 2013 8:26pm

Joined Nov 2012
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For players on the bubble it's important to see how versatile they are. Kljestan in his MLS days usually played on the wing and as a CAM, and since we're desperate up there, obviously we're going to try him out in a friendly to see if how that works out. That's what friendlies are for: experimentation. Nothing to get angry about. He got picked over Diskerud even though Diskerud fits that role more closely so it's not like SK is getting thrown under the bus.
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Chrisou101
Post #307
Tuesday November 19, 2013 1:34am

Joined Nov 2012
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Apparently rain wants JK to be fired just because JK was doing a little experimentation.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #308
Tuesday November 19, 2013 1:38am

Joined Jun 2012
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Kljestan aside, JK is not a good coach. Starting Kljestan at CAM was a waste of an opportunity to either "experiment" with AJ or allow Mix to further develop a playing relationship with Jozy.

Our players come from clubs with many differing styles of play and to think they can just show up for a camp, practice a few days, and then look like a coherent unit is just stupidity. Experimenting is the last thing we need to be doing right now, ESPECIALLY with players out of position. SK plays CM day in and day out for Anderlecht and JK thinks he can perform well at CAM with 2 days of reps!? That's not preparing this team for the World Cup. Everybody here, including Rain, could of predicted that. It's really wasting everybody's time.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #309
Tuesday November 19, 2013 3:03am

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Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Kljestan aside, JK is not a good coach. Starting Kljestan at CAM was a waste of an opportunity to either "experiment" with AJ or allow Mix to further develop a playing relationship with Jozy.

Our players come from clubs with many differing styles of play and to think they can just show up for a camp, practice a few days, and then look like a coherent unit is just stupidity. Experimenting is the last thing we need to be doing right now, ESPECIALLY with players out of position. SK plays CM day in and day out for Anderlecht and JK thinks he can perform well at CAM with 2 days of reps!? That's not preparing this team for the World Cup. Everybody here, including Rain, could of predicted that. It's really wasting everybody's time.


Doesn't most national teams have to deal with the same thing. As far as "experimenting", I see no problem with what he did. It's funny that people think that there will be some special connection that will help us in the WC in ONE friendly 7+ months before the World Cup. The important thing for these games plus the ones in March is figuring out the 23....and the most versatile players to have on the bench. The camp/games in May will help with on field chemistry and the 13-15 he knows he will be taking have played together for a couple of years now so no need in getting panties in a wad for him seeing if a CM is capable of playing all three roles in the CM.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #310
Tuesday November 19, 2013 5:59am

Joined Jun 2012
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Original post from USnLFCfan

Doesn't most national teams have to deal with the same thing. As far as "experimenting", I see no problem with what he did. It's funny that people think that there will be some special connection that will help us in the WC in ONE friendly 7+ months before the World Cup. The important thing for these games plus the ones in March is figuring out the 23....and the most versatile players to have on the bench. The camp/games in May will help with on field chemistry and the 13-15 he knows he will be taking have played together for a couple of years now so no need in getting panties in a wad for him seeing if a CM is capable of playing all three roles in the CM.


Yeah most teams deal with it, but I don't think most teams experiment in this fashion.

You're right, one friendly wont make a difference, that's why we should take advantage of all three.

And hey genius, when was the last time Bradley, Dempsey, Donovan and Jozy (our top guys) all played in the same game? So no our top guys havent been playing together for the past couple years. And no, camps don't help with chemistry, actual games do.

And versatility is extremely overrated. It just means your average in a lot of ways.

hamsamwich
Post #311
Tuesday November 19, 2013 6:50am

Joined Oct 2013
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Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Yeah most teams deal with it, but I don't think most teams experiment in this fashion.

You're right, one friendly wont make a difference, that's why we should take advantage of all three.

And hey genius, when was the last time Bradley, Dempsey, Donovan and Jozy (our top guys) all played in the same game? So no our top guys havent been playing together for the past couple years. And no, camps don't help with chemistry, actual games do.

And versatility is extremely overrated. It just means your average in a lot of ways.

"most" teams are deeper than the U.S., this is about finding the best 11 + subs for Brazil. it has been stated many times but if Bradley and Jones are going to Brazil, that leaves two places in CM behind them, maybe three. the best and most versatile players get those spots, for example, if Fabian Johnson was put in at CAM like Sasha was, he would perform better there. The reason that is important is if there is an injury or other substitution, there can be just one sub and have Fabian slide over, and move beasley up and add a defender, for example... SK cant do that it appears. Or Bedoya being able to play wing, CAM, and apparently, in a pinch, RB. It appears in game situations will drive roster decisions

dolcem
Post #312
Tuesday November 19, 2013 8:16am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Yeah most teams deal with it, but I don't think most teams experiment in this fashion.

You're right, one friendly wont make a difference, that's why we should take advantage of all three.

And hey genius, when was the last time Bradley, Dempsey, Donovan and Jozy (our top guys) all played in the same game? So no our top guys havent been playing together for the past couple years. And no, camps don't help with chemistry, actual games do.

And versatility is extremely overrated. It just means your average in a lot of ways.


In what fashion? We desperately need attacking mids so we decided to try one of our bubble players as an attacking mid to see if he could help out there...and this is a position he has played extensively at the club level (when he was in the MLS). This is the type of thing you're supposed to do in a friendly. It probably wasn't going to work but I'm glad we tried. It gave Kljestan a chance to audition a different part of his game and pad his resume.

And yeah, our best guys haven't been together, which makes it all the more surprising how well we've done. I don't see how injuries and lack of form to Dempsey and Donovan is Klinsmann's fault.

I don't even know what argument you're trying to make about versatility...so we don't want players who can play multiple positions? You do realize we only get to take 23 to Brazil, right?
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richieJkulesaNY
Post #313
Tuesday November 19, 2013 7:25pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 922
Original post from dolcem

In what fashion? We desperately need attacking mids so we decided to try one of our bubble players as an attacking mid to see if he could help out there...and this is a position he has played extensively at the club level (when he was in the MLS). This is the type of thing you're supposed to do in a friendly. It probably wasn't going to work but I'm glad we tried. It gave Kljestan a chance to audition a different part of his game and pad his resume.
And yeah, our best guys haven't been together, which makes it all the more surprising how well we've done. I don't see how injuries and lack of form to Dempsey and Donovan is Klinsmann's fault.

I don't even know what argument you're trying to make about versatility...so we don't want players who can play multiple positions? You do realize we only get to take 23 to Brazil, right?


To the comments in BOLD: Great logic less than a year away from the World Cup and only 3 games left to tighten the ship. Any and all experimentation should of been done the first couple years.

Why was Kljestan called in, or any player for that matter? Because he's playing very well as a CM for his club team. His instinct is to play behind the ball. He's been coached this way for YEARS now, I dont care what he did back with Chivas. What on earth would make you believe he can play CAM? I've watched him and I've seen nothing that shows me he can play CAM. We should play our guys where they actually are good. Sacha should be given minutes playing next to Bradley in case JONES gets injured or suspended. Thats the knd of experimenting real teams do. Its like we're playing pick up ball or something. I mean look at how we played against Scotland.

EJ is a joke on the wing, but lets keep throwing him out there instead of getting him minutes up top where he belongs.

Our next best CAM after Deuce is Mix. If Dempsey isnt available, GET HIM MINUTES! If you want to play a 4-4-2, then start AJ next to Jozy.

I know its not JKs fault our top guys have been injured or unavailable, but he should be experimenting with players that actually can play and perform in those specific roles. This idea of getting our best players on the field is a joke. It doesnt work.

My point is you cant expect these guys to play one way day in and day out and then ask them to play a completely different role, especially with players they arent familiar with.

This isnt rocket science people. Play our guys to their strengths and we can succeed.

And noooo I had no idea we can only bring 23 players. You mean, we can bring 3 GKs, 8 defenders, 9 midfielders, and 3 forwards? Meaning we can have one backup for each position on the field? So explain to me again this dire need for versatility...

richieJkulesaNY
Post #314
Tuesday November 19, 2013 7:30pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 922
Original post from hamsamwich

"most" teams are deeper than the U.S., this is about finding the best 11 + subs for Brazil. it has been stated many times but if Bradley and Jones are going to Brazil, that leaves two places in CM behind them, maybe three. the best and most versatile players get those spots, for example, if Fabian Johnson was put in at CAM like Sasha was, he would perform better there. The reason that is important is if there is an injury or other substitution, there can be just one sub and have Fabian slide over, and move beasley up and add a defender, for example... SK cant do that it appears. Or Bedoya being able to play wing, CAM, and apparently, in a pinch, RB. It appears in game situations will drive roster decisions


huh? If we have two capable RBs on the roster, why would you need to put Bedoya there?

Why is Fabian Johnson playing CAM?

Why does Kljestan have to be versatile to be Bradleys direct backup?

Im lost on your examples..

admsghs27
Post #315
Tuesday November 19, 2013 11:37pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,967
End of thread i believe. Don't think the tandem of bradley/jones will get us far in the WC.

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