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rainORshine
Post #271
Saturday November 16, 2013 8:38pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,773
Original post from 2tone

Ah yes the tactic of attacking the man. You are fairly good at that. It's quite clear you can't debate about a single topic without using logical fallacies.

Two passes in the attacking third. I have given enough context, but you like to ignore that because it doesn't fit into this SK world you have created.

Sk had an average game. As did all of the starters. I have stated that plain multiple times.

You give these stats without context. He completed 92% of his forward passes, yet ignore the fact that most of 92% of those forward passes took place in his defensive third and middle third. A forward pass does not mean it's in the attacking third. He had 2 defense splitting passes, he had zero diagonal passes in the attacking third. He played one expansive pass across the field which resulted as a side to side pass.

Diskerud had far less time to make an impact. Why compare Diskeruds stats to Kljestans?Diskerud played for 28 minutes. Kljestan played for 66 minutes. And as I have explained multiple times Jones and Diskerud are far more likely to be more expansive with their passes which leads to a lower passing percentage.


2tone - do you know what the word "context" means?

this is "context":
again, here is what sacha did v scotland:
- caught in possession ZERO times
- completed 35 of 36 passes (sorry, missed 1 earlier)
- completed 11 of 12 (92%) forward passes (MB 89%, JJ 63%, mix 60%)
- set up jozy with best chance in 1st half with clever cushion header
- created 2nd best chance (1st half) by finding jozy with deft chip inside 18
- long diagonal ball to gonzo (which should have led to cross and goal-scoring chance
- set evans free down right with perfectly weighted 1-touch
- set bedoya free down right with quick touch to unlock the defense

2 balls to altidore and 1 diagonal to gonzo on edge of 18 all had the potential to directly lead to goals. so that is 3 balls that could have changed the game

how many did bradley, jones and diskerud have COMBINED?

hamsamwich
Post #272
Saturday November 16, 2013 9:05pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 510
I thought SK did those things just mentioned, however, he was slow getting into the box on a few crosses and tened to drift back to where he is more comfortable in the midfield. To me, he was poor at CAM, and there are a multitude of choices for that spot. SK is narrowing his ability to be on the WC roster with games like that yesterday. He is now looked at as a singular-position player in my mind. Lot of work to do to catch Bradley, less to catch Jones, but SK needs to do more with his chances than he did v Scotland.

bbakerxyz
Post #273
Saturday November 16, 2013 9:29pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 237
Rain - Try tracking the number of times Jones breaks up an attack. He's a gladiator, a freaking animal. That is his value to the team. Can you think of better gladiator the US has ever had? Seriously, I can't even think of a close second.

Obviously, the main beef that most of the sensible people on this site have had with him is that he ventures forward too often. And the hope has always been that eventually JJ will stay back a little. Not do too much. Either Klinsy can finally get the message through to him or maybe he'll see we actually have a few guys that can actually kick a ball now. He's getting old. His body might start telling him to do less.

navi8132
Post #274
Saturday November 16, 2013 9:36pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,941
In reality the Scotland game means nothing as far as Jurgen rating Sacha, he realizes that he can't play the CAM particularly well and needs to go back to trying him as CM in place of Jones (one of these days, which makes him uncomfortable since he loves Jones).

We're just going to have to wait until Jones gets injured to see a Sacha - Bradley pairing, I don't see that happening next game.

dunlopp9987
Post #275
Saturday November 16, 2013 9:43pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,201
It truly is like trying to find reason or rational with a child.

Rain, I dare you to list 3 things that Sacha is bad at.
COYB!!
Dimo
Post #276
Saturday November 16, 2013 10:36pm

Joined Nov 2013
Total Posts: 266
Quick interjection from the Sacha debate! Am I the only one who thought Bradley had a bad game last night?

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #277
Saturday November 16, 2013 11:00pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,021
Original post from rainORshine

2tone - do you know what the word "context" means?

this is "context":
again, here is what sacha did v scotland:
- caught in possession ZERO times
- completed 35 of 36 passes (sorry, missed 1 earlier)
- completed 11 of 12 (92%) forward passes (MB 89%, JJ 63%, mix 60%)
- set up jozy with best chance in 1st half with clever cushion header
- created 2nd best chance (1st half) by finding jozy with deft chip inside 18
- long diagonal ball to gonzo (which should have led to cross and goal-scoring chance
- set evans free down right with perfectly weighted 1-touch
- set bedoya free down right with quick touch to unlock the defense

2 balls to altidore and 1 diagonal to gonzo on edge of 18 all had the potential to directly lead to goals. so that is 3 balls that could have changed the game

how many did bradley, jones and diskerud have COMBINED?


Ah boy, I just can't take this guy serious anymore. Bradley fed Altidore through twice, Jones played two balls over the top to Bedoya and to Beasley. Diskerud played one twos with both Johannsson and Shea resulting in both cases of potential's to change the game.

I concede Kljestan is the USMNT savior.

Now it's time to move on from this debate.

hamsamwich
Post #278
Sunday November 17, 2013 3:11am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 510
Original post from Dimo

Quick interjection from the Sacha debate! Am I the only one who thought Bradley had a bad game last night?
Bad is going too far, I'd say it was average for Bradley. His passing was good as usual, but it looked like maybe he didn't quite have the wind for his normal running...

Jzaval01
Post #279
Sunday November 17, 2013 3:43am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,540
For those in the Sacha vs Mix debate.
http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/3/2/c/32c52e0c79926...

dolcem
Post #280
Sunday November 17, 2013 12:44pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
Original post from Dimo

Quick interjection from the Sacha debate! Am I the only one who thought Bradley had a bad game last night?


Although I haven't see the game yet, what I will say is that the US media will rate him extremely highly no matter what, so that doesn't mean you're the only one. Carlisle gave him a 6.5 (as high as anyone on the team) and I've heard from several people that Bradley played average to fairly poor.
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richieJkulesaNY
Post #281
Sunday November 17, 2013 2:45pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 942
Sacha had a great opportunity against a poor opponent to make a case for himself. He failed. Why he was played as a CAM, I don't know, but it looked like he was playing not to lose instead of trying to win. Unfortunately, a lot of our question mark guys play like that in these games, whereas Mix doesn't. He goes for it. He's not afraid to take chances. If the US wants to succeed in Brazil, we need more guys like that.

This isn't a Sacha vs Mix debate, it's a debate about players who are willing to fail so we can succeed.

navi8132
Post #282
Sunday November 17, 2013 3:43pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,941
Oh God Please can Jurgen pair Sacha with Bradley for austria and then we can end this debate.

Mojofc
Post #283
Sunday November 17, 2013 5:34pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 680
Kljestan article on soccernet this morning...

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?b...

Some key quotes:

SK: "....When I came deeper I got on the ball a lot, I did pretty well with my balls but it was difficult to break them down."

SK: "The only notes for me at halftime was just to get closer to Jozy and get between the lines more but like I said it was difficult to get into that space," he said after the game. "I think Jozy and I were a little disappointed that we couldn't link up enough."

JK: "He did OK, but it was tricky for him," he said, before going on to add, "His instinct tells him to drop a little bit deeper because that's what he does at Anderlecht. Suddenly we had three midfielders in the same area with Michael [Bradley, Jermaine Jones] and Sacha. That's not what we wanted, we wanted to find people in between there two lines of four."
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rainORshine
Post #284
Sunday November 17, 2013 6:15pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,773
Original post from bbakerxyz

Rain - Try tracking the number of times Jones breaks up an attack. He's a gladiator, a freaking animal. That is his value to the team. Can you think of better gladiator the US has ever had? Seriously, I can't even think of a close second.

Obviously, the main beef that most of the sensible people on this site have had with him is that he ventures forward too often. And the hope has always been that eventually JJ will stay back a little. Not do too much. Either Klinsy can finally get the message through to him or maybe he'll see we actually have a few guys that can actually kick a ball now. He's getting old. His body might start telling him to do less.


i completely agree about jones - why i would station him at a 6

why do you think JK does not get more criticism for clarifying jones' role in that manner?

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #285
Sunday November 17, 2013 6:34pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,021
Original post from Mojofc

Kljestan article on soccernet this morning...

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?b...

Some key quotes:

SK: "....When I came deeper I got on the ball a lot, I did pretty well with my balls but it was difficult to break them down."

SK: "The only notes for me at halftime was just to get closer to Jozy and get between the lines more but like I said it was difficult to get into that space," he said after the game. "I think Jozy and I were a little disappointed that we couldn't link up enough."

JK: "He did OK, but it was tricky for him," he said, before going on to add, "His instinct tells him to drop a little bit deeper because that's what he does at Anderlecht. Suddenly we had three midfielders in the same area with Michael [Bradley, Jermaine Jones] and Sacha. That's not what we wanted, we wanted to find people in between there two lines of four."


Yep, and it goes onto say that once Johannsson was introduced Klinsmann finally got what he desired. You could tell Klinsmann was not impressed with Kljestan.

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