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MSantoine
Post #166
Monday September 30, 2013 7:02pm

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Original post from navi8132

Link?


http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/usnationalteam/...

MSantoine
Post #167
Monday September 30, 2013 7:06pm

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Original post from rainORshine

this article certainly does not talk about GC "settling into a CDM role."

quotes from both JK and GC indicate he is still auditioning for time at 3 positions - RB, CB and CM.

id project cameron starting at CB v jamaica


No it doesnt come out and say it but between things like even without Evans he wasnt considered for Rb, JK wants to see others get experience at CB, and the fact that once MB went down he got the call at CM you can read between the lines and see thats where JK values his skill set.

rainORshine
Post #168
Saturday October 5, 2013 7:28pm

Joined Dec 2012
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jones on the bench again today. and another good result for schalke

updated totals after a 4-1 win today without jones getting any PT:
7 games - jones started
- 1-3-3 (W-T-L)
- 1 game they won was tied when jones was red carded
- 11 goals scored / 19 conceded

5 games - jones did not start
- 5-0-0
- 11 goals scored / 1 conceded
- jones with total of 33 minutes played

jones is in terrible form and really can not be considered a good option at this point

that said, with bradley out i still dont really mind seeing jones in the lineup - you have to have at least 1 of jones, beckerman or cameron on the field and beckerman and cameron are equally poor options

however, IMO at this point jones should only be considered for a pure DM/6 role - his days of playing box-to-box effectively are behind him

this means he absolutely should NOT be paired with beckerman or cameron in a 2 man CM - both are also only capable of playing a 6 at international level (IF they are even capable of that)

with a healthy bradley - the logical solution at this point is bradley / kljestan... or bradley and kljestan playing in front of 1 of the 6s.

dolcem will protest that you can not have 2 8s. i say, you have to take a look before determining bradley / kljestan wont work

sadly, JK has seen fit to try it ZERO times in 40 games, but there is a slim chance he can still get it right

rainORshine
Post #169
Sunday October 6, 2013 8:17pm

Joined Dec 2012
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with one fell swoop i think we can say that cameron and JFT are (at least temporarily) eliminated from the CM conversation.

- cameron 1 of only 6 defenders on roster. (brad evans only other "RB" on roster)
- torres not called in

this leaves 3 options beside bradley in a 2-man middle
1) kljestan
2) jones
3) beckerman

i think people are dreaming if they think zusi or diskerud could get a call in a 2-man system. i just dont think either are robust enough to handle that 2 way responsibility. they could both function in a 3 man middle - which is what i would lean towards

--kljestan--bradley--
------jones------

if JK stick with 2 man system, id say kljestan / bradley

dolcem
Post #170
Sunday October 6, 2013 9:04pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from rainORshine

with a healthy bradley - the logical solution at this point is bradley / kljestan... or bradley and kljestan playing in front of 1 of the 6s.

dolcem will protest that you can not have 2 8s. i say, you have to take a look before determining bradley / kljestan wont work



You can't have two #8's...that's what this whole thread is about. Central midfielders have to complement each other. We've started our best two CM's for years and it doesn't work because they're both #8's.

The same goes with a three man midfield...ideally the two CM's in front of the six have different styles. Look at Barcelona: Xavi stays back and plays as a deep-lying playmaker while Iniesta plays higher up the pitch, running at defenders with the ball. Playing two #8's in a three man midfield isn't a good idea. They'll get in the way of each other and what they do on the pitch is too similar.

Kljestan and Bradley CAN play together in a two or a three man midfield. But Bradley would have to play as the #6. It'd work especially well in a three man midfield. Bradley sitting behind Torres playing as the deep-lying playmaker and Kljestan as the #8 would make a great midfield. All three of those players' fit the roles well and complement each other perfectly.

This won't happen though. Bradley won't accept playing as the #6 and he's the one guy on the team you don't want to piss off.
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rainORshine
Post #171
Sunday October 6, 2013 9:21pm

Joined Dec 2012
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Original post from dolcem

You can't have two #8's...that's what this whole thread is about. Central midfielders have to complement each other. We've started our best two CM's for years and it doesn't work because they're both #8's.

The same goes with a three man midfield...ideally the two CM's in front of the six have different styles. Look at Barcelona: Xavi stays back and plays as a deep-lying playmaker while Iniesta plays higher up the pitch, running at defenders with the ball. Playing two #8's in a three man midfield isn't a good idea. They'll get in the way of each other and what they do on the pitch is too similar.

Kljestan and Bradley CAN play together in a two or a three man midfield. But Bradley would have to play as the #6. It'd work especially well in a three man midfield. Bradley sitting behind Torres playing as the deep-lying playmaker and Kljestan as the #8 would make a great midfield. All three of those players' fit the roles well and complement each other perfectly.

This won't happen though. Bradley won't accept playing as the #6 and he's the one guy on the team you don't want to piss off.


the thread is about questioning whether JK's preferred bradley / jones CM combo is the best option.

there may not be any ideal options... this is just a discussion about what we think is best given the options we do have

with bradley out i feel that if JK goes beckerman / jones... that will be a step in the wrong direction - just dont think beckerman is someone who can really help get results in brazil

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #172
Sunday October 6, 2013 11:27pm

Joined May 2013
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I think JK will play JJ and Mix at home against Jam. Then away it will be Beckerman as the 6 with Jones playing ahead of him...with Mix subbing in if we're down. With MB out I'm not excited about any of the combos.

I think this is shaping up as a solid offensive effort at home and a butt ugly game in Panama with two Dmids...with JJ trying to get upfield and "create".

JK can say we're going to Panama to get three points but the reality is Panama is fighting for their WC lives in front of their home fans in a do or die situation and we have absolutely nothing on the line...bad combo. We're going to have trouble meeting their level of intensity and we'll be on the back foot from the start. I don't think it matters who we have in the middle for the Panama game.

rainORshine
Post #173
Friday October 18, 2013 4:40pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,783
quick post-WCQ assessment:

the CM spots behind MB has really turned into a free-for-all situation similar to the CB situation. really a matter of preference with no clear-cut order.

obviously jones is a starter in JKs mind but if his form/health continue to decline he could fall.

playing a 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 this is how i would rate them as of now after MB:
2) kljestan
3) jones
4) cameron
5) beckerman
6) (zusi)
7) williams
8) diskerud
9) (torres)

for me, a 2 man middle (current and likely set-up) basically takes zusi and torres out of the conversation. i personally dont think diskerud is a good option in that set-up either, but JK seems to really like him.

november minutes will be telling. hope jones is out so that JK is forced to look closer at other options. williams could start to climb back up the chart

richieJkulesaNY
Post #174
Friday October 18, 2013 5:59pm

Joined Jun 2012
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I'm not sold on a MB/JJ pairing either, but they are the pair I will be most comfortable with starting in Brazil.

rainORshine
Post #175
Saturday October 26, 2013 9:46pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,783
jones on bench again today

8 games - jones started
- 1-3-4 (W-T-L)
- 1 game they won was tied when jones was red carded
- 11 goals scored / 22 conceded

7 games - jones did not start
- 6-0-1
- 15 goals scored / 6 conceded
- jones with total of 47 minutes played

will be interesting to see where the CM minutes go in november friendlies. questions about bradley/jones to begin with and now it appears jones' days as a top-level player (meaning an automatic starter for a good bundesliga team) are over and STILL no clear plan B from JK

admsghs27
Post #176
Saturday October 26, 2013 10:14pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,294
Jones seems to be droping off. I think the proble is his lagging injury, he should get that surgery now if not he will regret it. Sure hw will miss a month or 2. But in the long run is the best. Also coming to Mls will surely help him more. La galaxy is in need of a DM. He also bough a home here in LA.

rainORshine
Post #177
Tuesday October 29, 2013 11:06pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,783
with MLS regular season concluded here is how i would currently rank US CMs (DM/CM/CAM) according to how helpful they could be to USMNT:

1) MB90
2) sacha - another goal this weekend
3) jones - no longer a starter @ schalke
4) beckerman
6) zusi
7) williams
8) rowe
9) clark
10) powers

sorry mix - if you dont produce offense and you cant defend and you play in norway - you are pretty worthless

rjw77
Post #178
Tuesday October 29, 2013 11:12pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 265
Ranking williams, rowe, clark, and powers over diskerud is a joke. They haven't proven themselves in any way on the international level.

rainORshine
Post #179
Tuesday October 29, 2013 11:26pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,783
Original post from rjw77

Ranking williams, rowe, clark, and powers over diskerud is a joke. They haven't proven themselves in any way on the international level.


dont kid yourself. those guys would have done just as well, probably better, in the gold cup

taking a stand against all this diskerud nonsense. the guy does absolutely nothing special in norway - for a disappointing rosenborg squad (letting another championship slip by)

let me know when he does anything resembling an international quality player

rjw77
Post #180
Tuesday October 29, 2013 11:34pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 265
His excellent assist to landon Donovan against Mexico was certainly international quality and showed his ability to create.

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