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admsghs27
Post #136
Sunday September 15, 2013 8:34am

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Another great example this guy is playing at a high level, and will play at a higher level than caeron yet no one mentions him.. I would bet this team would beat any premier league team including man u and man city, arsenal ext... Think FC BASEL.. . This team would compete against any team in the world... I would start sasha over Cameron any day of the week or year... Honestly Cameron is overrated wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make the roster for brazil... He kinda sucks....

rainORshine
Post #137
Sunday September 15, 2013 4:37pm

Joined Dec 2012
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Original post from admsghs27

Another great example this guy is playing at a high level, and will play at a higher level than caeron yet no one mentions him.. I would bet this team would beat any premier league team including man u and man city, arsenal ext... Think FC BASEL.. . This team would compete against any team in the world... I would start sasha over Cameron any day of the week or year... Honestly Cameron is overrated wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make the roster for brazil... He kinda sucks....


i think anderlecht would be a solid top half of table team in EPL, but i think they would struggle to hang with the top 4 or 5. i would say equivalent to a 6-8 EPL team.

will be big underdogs against benfica this week in UCL

Lykou11601
Post #138
Sunday September 15, 2013 6:59pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 122
Original post from admsghs27

Another great example this guy is playing at a high level, and will play at a higher level than caeron yet no one mentions him.. I would bet this team would beat any premier league team including man u and man city, arsenal ext... Think FC BASEL.. . This team would compete against any team in the world... I would start sasha over Cameron any day of the week or year... Honestly Cameron is overrated wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make the roster for brazil... He kinda sucks....


Easy there... This team would beat any premier league team? lets relax. and to say Cameron sucks is foolish. Overrated? that remains to be seen. But no one in their right minds could say Cameron sucks

GD10
Post #139
Sunday September 15, 2013 7:04pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 239
Cameron does not suck, and no Anderlecht would not beat any of the top four heck they would have a tough time beating an Everton or Tottenham, They are mid table EPL to me. Kljestan playing well though, excited to see how they do in UCl this year they did pretty well last year narrowly missing out on the knock out stages.

rainORshine
Post #140
Wednesday September 18, 2013 10:23pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,770
i think it is safe to say that jones is not currently a starter with schalke

1st 5 games - jones started
- 1 win - that game was tied when jones was red carded
- 8 goals scored / 12 conceded

Last 3 games - jones did not start
- 3-0
- 6 goals scored / 0 conceded
- jones with total of 33 minutes played

meanwhile sacha kljestan has 4 goals in last 5 league games.

for my money, with bradley out, kljestan is the best healthy US CM at the moment

Jzaval01
Post #141
Thursday September 19, 2013 12:57am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,433
By the way any update to Michael Bradley's injury and how much longer will he be out? Roma is doing extremely well and we're all sure Bradley's work rates will excel like always but they certainly dont miss him atm with 3 win in 3 matches

Scout92
Lone Star State(Gun State)
Post #142
Saturday September 21, 2013 7:29am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,031
Jones is one of those players that if he isn't playing club, he will still be called up and start...he is one of Jurgen's favorites..

EKneezy
Post #143
Saturday September 21, 2013 5:03pm

Joined May 2013
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Jones is starting today against Bayern Munich

rainORshine
Post #144
Saturday September 21, 2013 8:47pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,770
Original post from EKneezy

Jones is starting today against Bayern Munich


yea, because neustadter and hoger played UCL midweek

updated totals after losing 0-4 with jones starting today:
6 games - jones started
- 1-2-3 (W-T-L)
- 1 game they won was tied when jones was red carded
- 8 goals scored / 16 conceded

3 games - jones did not start
- 3-0-0
- 6 goals scored / 0 conceded
- jones with total of 33 minutes played

hmm, wonder if jones will be starting next week???

dolcem
Post #145
Sunday September 22, 2013 6:07am

Joined Nov 2012
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There is a lot of delusion going on in this thread.

Anderlecht would not be top half. When they get a result against a big team, it's a huge deal, just as when a bottom-feeder team gets a result against one of the title contenders. More importantly, the competition they face week-in week-out is awful. The Jupiler is very top heavy.

Jones has been a starter for one of the top German teams for about seven years now. He consistently plays against the highest level of competition every week (I'd argue the Bundesliga is the strongest league top to bottom) and has played in the Champions League many times. He also is one of the toughest, most competitive players on the Nats and one of our leaders. Missing a few games because of suspension and injury does not drop him on the depth chart. And he is playing fine for his club...the games he missed were against crap opposition. And they just lost to arguably one of the best teams in history. You can't blame him for Schalke's poor form.

Kljestan is the flavor of the month and has scored a few tap-ins recently against some crappy Belgian teams in front of a couple hundred fans but let's be real, he isn't half the player Jones is.

The way I see it, we have a bunch of box-to-box CM's, a couple DM's, and a deep-lying playmaker:

Box-to-box CM's:
Bradley
Jones
Diskerud
Kljestan
Edu

DM's:
Beckerman
Cameron
Williams

Deep-lying playmakers:
Torres

Diskerud and Kljestan may be more creative than Bradley and Jones but I still see them as box-to-box CM's.

A lot of us here agree that it doesn't make sense to pair two box-to-box CM's (Jones and Bradley), even if they are much better than all of our other options at CM. You can't have redundancy at that position, the two need to complement each other, and if they don't they get in each other's way. It makes the most sense to pair a #6 with a box-to-box CM because they like to get forward. The problem is though our #6's probably aren't good enough. The other option would be to play Torres and have our box-to-box CM sit back a bit more. That, IMO, is our best option. Torres is not nearly as good as Bradley or Jones but I think we'd be a more balanced team if he was paired with one of them (preferably Bradley).
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snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #146
Sunday September 22, 2013 1:48pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 263
+1 dolcem's post except for the Torres part. I think we're better off with Bradley and Jones starting.
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rainORshine
Post #147
Sunday September 22, 2013 3:22pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,770
Original post from dolcem

There is a lot of delusion going on in this thread.

Anderlecht would not be top half. When they get a result against a big team, it's a huge deal, just as when a bottom-feeder team gets a result against one of the title contenders. More importantly, the competition they face week-in week-out is awful. The Jupiler is very top heavy.

Jones has been a starter for one of the top German teams for about seven years now. He consistently plays against the highest level of competition every week (I'd argue the Bundesliga is the strongest league top to bottom) and has played in the Champions League many times. He also is one of the toughest, most competitive players on the Nats and one of our leaders. Missing a few games because of suspension and injury does not drop him on the depth chart. And he is playing fine for his club...the games he missed were against crap opposition. And they just lost to arguably one of the best teams in history. You can't blame him for Schalke's poor form.

Kljestan is the flavor of the month and has scored a few tap-ins recently against some crappy Belgian teams in front of a couple hundred fans but let's be real, he isn't half the player Jones is.

The way I see it, we have a bunch of box-to-box CM's, a couple DM's, and a deep-lying playmaker:

Box-to-box CM's:
Bradley
Jones
Diskerud
Kljestan
Edu

DM's:
Beckerman
Cameron
Williams

Deep-lying playmakers:
Torres

Diskerud and Kljestan may be more creative than Bradley and Jones but I still see them as box-to-box CM's.

A lot of us here agree that it doesn't make sense to pair two box-to-box CM's (Jones and Bradley), even if they are much better than all of our other options at CM. You can't have redundancy at that position, the two need to complement each other, and if they don't they get in each other's way. It makes the most sense to pair a #6 with a box-to-box CM because they like to get forward. The problem is though our #6's probably aren't good enough. The other option would be to play Torres and have our box-to-box CM sit back a bit more. That, IMO, is our best option. Torres is not nearly as good as Bradley or Jones but I think we'd be a more balanced team if he was paired with one of them (preferably Bradley).


there is a lot of delusion going on in this post

here are anderlecht results from europe the last couple of years:

11/12 europa league group stage:
anderlecht - 6-0-0; +13

compared to EPL teams that season:
tottenham - 3-1-2; +5
stoke - 3-2-1; +3
birmingham city - 3-1-2; 0
fulham - 2-2-2; +3

anderlecht's results in 12/13 champions league
malaga - 0-3; 2-2
ac milan - 1-3; 0-0
zenit - 1-0; 0-1

the suggestion that a bottom half EPL team would produce better results is pure delusion

every league in europe is "top heavy". anyone who thinks otherwise is absolutely delusional

the games jones missed were not against "crap opposition".
- bayer leverkusen - 3rd in bundesliga
- mainz - 7th in bundesliga
- steau bucuresti - romanian champs who won their europa group last season - which included stuttgart - then beat ajax before losing 3-2 on aggrgate to chelsea

anyone who thinks this is "crap competition" is obviously delusional

anyone who does not realize that jones is not the player he was in his prime is pretty delusional. anyone who thinks jones has not started 3 of the last 4 games for schalke purely because of suspensions and injuries is delusional.

at this point, i would still start jones in a CDM/6 role

MSantoine
Post #148
Sunday September 22, 2013 5:23pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,104
Original post from rainORshine

every league in europe is "top heavy". anyone who thinks otherwise is absolutely delusional


EPL, Bundelisga, and Serie A are the only leagues that have true top to bottom depth. No other league has more than 5 quality teams, those three leagues have 10+ quality teams

rainORshine
Post #149
Sunday September 22, 2013 6:26pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,770
Original post from MSantoine

EPL, Bundelisga, and Serie A are the only leagues that have true top to bottom depth. No other league has more than 5 quality teams, those three leagues have 10+ quality teams


"quality teams" is pretty subjective term.

every league in europe has the same general structure...
- 3-4 teams that consistently finish top 5
- handful of teams that compete in the middle of the table
- handful of weaker teams that are always concerned about relegation

the differences between leagues are simply a matter of differences at every "level" (top, midddle, bottom) - teams in la liga. EPL, bundesliga are just better at every level than teams in the next tier of leagues - serie a, portugal, france - and so on...

there is an illusion that la liga is somehow different - that there is a huge drop-off after barca and real. not true at all. the difference is simply that barca and real are consistenly 2 of the top 5 teams in the world and always occupy the 1st 2 spots. after them you have the same structure as every other league. athletico madrid and valencia are very strong teams and hang around the top 5. AM have finished 3rd and 5th past 2 seasons. valencia finished 5th last season and 3rd the 3 previous seasons.

obviously the best leagues are better top to bottom - that is why they are better. but they are still ALL "top-heavy"

dolcem
Post #150
Sunday September 22, 2013 8:02pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,033
Original post from snipes87

+1 dolcem's post except for the Torres part. I think we're better off with Bradley and Jones starting.


I know it's a hard sell. I don't want to harp on it because I've discussed it elsewhere but he has only been played at CM for 45 minutes under JK. He would do well there if played.

Bradley and Jones are head and shoulders our best CM's (Jones is inconsistent for the national team though). We have seen that this combination doesn't work too well because they are both similar players (box-to-box CM's that like to get forward). We have a bit of the Lampard-Gerrard thing going on here...they get in each other's way. While Kljestan and Diskerud are a bit more creative than both, I see them as box-to-box mids too and there's too much of a drop in quality (and consider their weekly competition) to start either of them. You'd have the same problem.

This means we pair one box-to-box mid (Bradley instead of Jones if he is playing for his club team) with a #6 (Beckerman, Cameron, Williams, or maybe even Edu) or a deep-lying playmaker (Torres). I don't think any of those #6's is good enough to start against quality opposition. I was hoping Cameron would be (he looked great against Panama and has played the position before) but he was awful against Costa Rica. He definitely needs another look...you can't write off a player after one bad game (especially considering it was a difficult one were the team played poorly). Beckerman will get more looks but he isn't the solution (I hope he doesn't play in the World Cup unless we're beating an easy team). I doubt Edu and Williams will come into the fold (maybe the latter will get a call-up or two).

This means that besides Cameron, our only other option besides the Jones/Bradley combo is playing Torres. He is a very talented player with unique skillset desperately lacking among other players and he is a very solid CM at the club level. He just needs to be tried there for the NT.
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