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Lilshmike
Post #481
Tuesday March 10, 2020 8:00pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,481
Original post from Know Nothing

I don't think people are griping about calling in Zardes, it is more lamenting the fact that he has been established in the role in the first place.

If GGG wants to bring in a player to occupy a central defender and offer a bit of a physical presence so the wingers can flourish then fine, I have no problem with him or Jozy.

But guys like that are easy to defend. Zardes does well bringing others into the play but I would not label him as a natural finisher or a guy that can create his own space for a goal. Jozy is the same with a little more natural finishing ability.

I would argue a plan B would be nice to change things up. I suppose Morris is that guy right now, but ArJo in form would be better.

We can argue Morris was not out injured for that long and quickly got his place back. But getting your place back in MLS to me would seem to be much easier than getting your place back in the Bundesliga.
You can't be serious about that statement on people not griping over Zardes, can you? Heads explode every time he gets named to a roster, and his name is continuously brought up in multiple threads as an "example" as to why we need to pick other players who aren't in MLS, or how GGG is a fanboy, or some MLS agenda, etc...

And it seems to me that your statement on Morris getting his place back in MLS being seemingly easier than in Bundesliga eludes to his different circumstances... i.e. Aron having faced different circumstances. Funny how that works out, especially when you were "not convinced"...

Know Nothing
Post #482
Tuesday March 10, 2020 10:29pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,816
Original post from Lilshmike

You can't be serious about that statement on people not griping over Zardes, can you? Heads explode every time he gets named to a roster, and his name is continuously brought up in multiple threads as an "example" as to why we need to pick other players who aren't in MLS, or how GGG is a fanboy, or some MLS agenda, etc...

And it seems to me that your statement on Morris getting his place back in MLS being seemingly easier than in Bundesliga eludes to his different circumstances... i.e. Aron having faced different circumstances. Funny how that works out, especially when you were "not convinced"...


In my mind those are two separate arguments. If you cannot see that then we are clearly arguing over different things.

If you go back to the origins of our argument you will see that you were the one that inserted Zardes into the equation. My point then, as it is now, is that it would not be a bad idea to call him into camp to see where he is knowing that he offers a different look. If you look back, I have never stated he should start over anyone, nor did I say he should be part of the match roster.

stoked-3
Post #483
Wednesday March 11, 2020 5:18am

Joined Mar 2020
Total Posts: 79
Original post from Lilshmike

1) I don't think Zardes is our only option. and to be clear, its not that I'm defending the Zardes decisions... only pointing out that GGG really doesn't have any other choice. I understand why he keeps getting called in. Don't act like you don't already know that... you're on the boards enough to know my stances... they have not changed and I have covered the Zardes topic countless times.

2) Jozy is a better striker than Zardes in my opinion because I feel he has a better touch, has higher intelligence on the field, is a better finisher of the ball, has vastly more experience than Zardes both at the club and international level, and he brings a dynamic that Zardes cannot with his size and ability to play as a hold up man in the front.

3) You say we need to expand our player pool by thinking outside the box, referring to guys who play good at club but can't hack it at the international level... suggesting we should look at guys who aren't starters for their clubs or who potentially play in youth teams. What I am saying is that if we are comparing a bunch of guys who are all playing professional at relatively the same level... if a guy can't even be a consistent starter and produce for their club, what evidence is there that they can hack it at the international level? None whatsoever. Thats why playing and producing for club is vitally important. And remember... we aren't comparing guys like Sargent who right now who is sub in the Bundesliga... we are comparing MLS to Sweden or youth European teams. Lets get real here.

4) Your last point about it being harder for guys not in MLS to get called in... legitimately who outside of MLS in a league as good or better than MLS is actually playing and can demonstrate that they are more deserving of a call-up than their MLS counterparts? Gall, an MLS washout and Swedish league benchwarmer? Sabbi, playing at a similar level to MLS and has not produced noticeably better stats or performances than guys in MLS? Cappis, who was called into the December camp? The only people who legitimately have an argument and could be seen as snubbed are Holmes and Robinson... both of whom have been called in and have caps, but are injured right now and unavailable. We genuinely lack other options.


I can think of 1 recent and 1 somewhat recent and 2 mls.

First, Uly whom plays for a u-19 team was the best player on the field vs costa. He was head and shoulders better than the mls guys, he could have had more goals if Ariola wasnt spraying crosses into the 50th row of the stands. So go figure, a guy who plays u-19 dominating on the Int level? It was man of the match performance-can he have that time of performance every time he suits up for the Nats? who knows, but again, we know what zardes will bring, we will learn nothing new from him in the nxt 2 friendlies-any non mls coach would agree for the sake of the team it would make sense to bring uly back for another look ahead of zardes (or a uly type player)

Second, I believe is was Julian Green whom scored in a world cup, on a a great run, in a clutch time on the game. Our mls stat leader Wondo wiffed from 2 yrs out? btw Wondo was the leading usa leader mls scorer, should we bring him in?

MLS guys get brought in: Chase gasper, mark mckenzie, Arriola, Aaronson, j lewis, Sam vines, I think we could bring in euro guys that could show better, and again if not, then at least we left no stone unturned in developing our pool.

third. Look at lima/J Lewis-neither have locked down a starting role at club level-but they showed well on the Nats, Lima really impressed. Lewis while not a world beater didnt look lost -

Last, you could argue Dest wasnt a consistent starter for his team, but in the games for the Nats he displayed a technical ability that no mls player had-he was true class

You argument on your call up standard doesnt account for how said player actually plays on the Int level, like I have said many times you could be a great player and simply jst not good at a different level. At some point, even if for depth and or to confirm your current call up selections, new players should be brought in an evaluated.

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