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Lilshmike
Post #466
Monday March 2, 2020 3:48pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

I am fully aware of the Kayo conversation. As you just said, GGG set the standard and has broken the standard with the Kayo call up. So he has set up an opportunity to again to bring in a player into camp who gives us a different look. A player that has produced in the past, played in a much higher league than MLS, but unfortunately has been hit with injuries.

And do not say it was only camp cupcake. At the end of the day everyone that played got a cap, and they do not put an asterisk next to those matches with an explanation that they were only camp cupcake. And since they count just like any other match, GGG should conduct it the same and apply the same standards. So either there is a standard or there is not a standard.

None of the MLS players he would be competing against have any real match fitness, so the argument of playing matches is a wash. In fact, using the criteria "getting minutes consistently and producing for your position at club" should exclude most, if not all, of the MLS players this window. So I would agree Nova deserves a callup using this criteria and probably start. And ArJo should be judged on past performances just like the MLS when being considered since none of them have any real recent experiences.
If you are fully aware, then you would know that there was no standard broken. Kayo legitimately was called up in an off window camp, having played consistently in USL (which for the record, I don't think is good enough) at the same time as everyone else... having played his last game in December and being called into a camp in January. The entire "unattached" status meant nothing in the grand scheme of things because everyone in camp with the exception of 2 people were out of season and had all played their last game at the same time... Kayo included. Come on, man. It would be a different thing if Kayo was called up this window... but he wasn't. And for the record... Kayo didn't even dress for the January camp friendly... so he didn't get a cap and there isn't even an asterisk to reference in this case.

And if we are to judge Johannsson on his past performances... which were legitimately 5+ years ago, because thats the last time he was actually healthy and playing consistently... then why aren't we applying that standard to everyone else?

Lets judge Michael Bradley based on his performances 5 years ago. Lets judge Terrence Boyd and Gedion Zelalem on their performances and potential from 5 years ago. Lets call in Geoff Cameron on based on his performances from 5 years ago. What about Brek Shea too?

Just because someone scores 2 goals in 45 minutes of play in a Swedish cup game, against a recently promoted team from the lower levels of Sweden, does not mean that person should get called into the national team... especially considering that person hasn't been fit or played consistently in years. Hop off the Europe hype train.

We wouldn't call in an MLS player, after having not played in years and coming off injury, simply because he scored 2 goals against a USL side in the US Open Cup. What makes this any different?

Hopefully ArJo can get back to scoring goals. If he manages to be the #1 striker at Hammarby and/or score a bunch of goals between now and June, all while staying free of injury, he should have made a good case for inclusion. But Its highly unlikely that he will get selected this next window. I wouldn't be terribly shocked if he was called in, but he should absolutely not be included yet.

Know Nothing
Post #467
Monday March 2, 2020 7:51pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Original post from Lilshmike

If you are fully aware, then you would know that there was no standard broken. Kayo legitimately was called up in an off window camp, having played consistently in USL (which for the record, I don't think is good enough) at the same time as everyone else... having played his last game in December and being called into a camp in January. The entire "unattached" status meant nothing in the grand scheme of things because everyone in camp with the exception of 2 people were out of season and had all played their last game at the same time... Kayo included. Come on, man. It would be a different thing if Kayo was called up this window... but he wasn't. And for the record... Kayo didn't even dress for the January camp friendly... so he didn't get a cap and there isn't even an asterisk to reference in this case.

And if we are to judge Johannsson on his past performances... which were legitimately 5+ years ago, because thats the last time he was actually healthy and playing consistently... then why aren't we applying that standard to everyone else?

Lets judge Michael Bradley based on his performances 5 years ago. Lets judge Terrence Boyd and Gedion Zelalem on their performances and potential from 5 years ago. Lets call in Geoff Cameron on based on his performances from 5 years ago. What about Brek Shea too?

Just because someone scores 2 goals in 45 minutes of play in a Swedish cup game, against a recently promoted team from the lower levels of Sweden, does not mean that person should get called into the national team... especially considering that person hasn't been fit or played consistently in years. Hop off the Europe hype train.

We wouldn't call in an MLS player, after having not played in years and coming off injury, simply because he scored 2 goals against a USL side in the US Open Cup. What makes this any different?

Hopefully ArJo can get back to scoring goals. If he manages to be the #1 striker at Hammarby and/or score a bunch of goals between now and June, all while staying free of injury, he should have made a good case for inclusion. But Its highly unlikely that he will get selected this next window. I wouldn't be terribly shocked if he was called in, but he should absolutely not be included yet.


What makes this any different...ArJo has played at a much higher level than MLS and has experience in multiple leagues of equal or higher quality than MLS. You mention Bradley...he continued in the team despite being mediocre in MLS because he played at a higher level than others and he was being judged on past performances. But he still had value to the team in a leadership capacity because of those experiences.

And even if it was an off window camp, if there is a standard then legitimately someone from MLS was deserving of that spot over Kayo. Maybe not on the basis of talent, but on the argument, that you have been espousing for a while, that they are playing in a higher league. I'm sorry, but you cannot have it both ways. Either there is a rigid standard or there is no standard at all.

Lilshmike
Post #468
Monday March 2, 2020 9:45pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from Know Nothing

What makes this any different...ArJo has played at a much higher level than MLS and has experience in multiple leagues of equal or higher quality than MLS. You mention Bradley...he continued in the team despite being mediocre in MLS because he played at a higher level than others and he was being judged on past performances. But he still had value to the team in a leadership capacity because of those experiences.

And even if it was an off window camp, if there is a standard then legitimately someone from MLS was deserving of that spot over Kayo. Maybe not on the basis of talent, but on the argument, that you have been espousing for a while, that they are playing in a higher league. I'm sorry, but you cannot have it both ways. Either there is a rigid standard or there is no standard at all.
Again... ArJo hasn't played consistently for over 5 years. League level aside, he hasn't played or been fit for over 5 years... and you're saying thats good enough and he should be included in the national team now because he scored a couple goals against a low level team in a cup game? That is ridiculous.

Unfortunately with Bradley, he continued to be included because we lacked better options at the time. Now we have younger guys coming in and pushing him out... but his inclusion, despite playing in MLS, was because we lacked better options. And you addressed Bradley... but what about my other examples? Should Brek Shea, Terrence Boyd, Gedion Zelalem, or Geoff Cameron get called in based on what they did 5 years ago? No, absolutely not. Johannsson, although I love the guy, hasn't done enough at this time to demonstrate that he should get called in for March. He should look towards making a case for June.

I am not trying to have it both ways. My stance has not changed.

I totally agree that other people were more deserving than Kayo in the January camp. We're in agreement there and I've stated that multiple times, so whats your point here? USL isn't good enough to get called into the USMNT IMO, and we both agreed that Canouse was a name that probably should have gotten a look. But there is more at play with the Kayo situation because he didn't sign a new contract in December with the intention of going to Europe once he turns 18. And again... it was Camp Cupcake... so my official stance was that it was one player and it wasn't a big deal to get uptight about.

Your argument has been that there was a lack of standard or that "a precedent was set" because a player with the title "unattached" was selected for a national team camp. I'm not arguing for the inclusion of Kayo... I'm telling you that you're wrong with the "precedent" piece because the word "unattached" meant nothing in the big picture as all of the players called in played consistently in the lead up to the camp, and all played their last game at the same time.

If Kayo was called up in March... yes, the precedent would be set and it is an inconsistent/bad standard. But this was Camp Cupcake in January, conducted during the MLS off season when none of those guys were playing and Euro based players (generally speaking) were not available for selection.

Skill level aside, there is no difference between two guys who both played consistently in the months leading to the January camp, with one guy refusing to sign a new contract and the other still under contract, as both would be out of season and would have played their last game at the same time. Thats why getting up tight over Kayo, simply because he is "unattached", is ridiculous. Be irritated that he was in USL... not "unattached".

The situation with Johannsson is not the same as the circumstances with Kayo. They are totally different.

And your "MLS players are coming back from offseason so none of them were technically playing, therefore they are the same as Johannsson" argument is flawed as well. Reason being is because although these guys are coming back from offseason... pretty much all of them were playing all last season... and the season before that. ArJo, unfortunately, has not. You're comparing a player who hasn't played consistently in 5+ years to players who haven't played consistently over the last 2-3 months. It is not the same... not even close.

Again, I like the guy and think that when he is healthy and in form, he is our best striker. But when he hasn't played consistently in 5+ years... and just happens to score a brace against a lower level Swedish team... I don't think thats good enough.

Know Nothing
Post #469
Tuesday March 3, 2020 6:40am

Joined Jan 2013
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Original post from Lilshmike

The situation with Johannsson is not the same as the circumstances with Kayo. They are totally different.



HOW?!

Does a friendly in February count less then a friendly in March? Seems to me they count the same. If Camp Cupcake is different, the match should be labeled a "B" match. At the end of the day, however, the matches count the same. Proof of that is after our Camp Cupcake we gained two points in the FIFA rankings.

Regardless, GGG should approach building every roster with an eye towards putting the best team he can assemble out there each time we are scheduled to play. Solely using your league strength defense, he has failed to do so. But every coach needs latitude with his roster choices.

Kayo was called in to camp to instead of players that played and produced in a higher league to be evaluated to see how he fit with the team. Presumably GGG was underwhelmed by others so he made that decision to either evaluate a player or light a fire or both. Fine...his decision...I am fine with that.

But I fail to see how evaluating ArJo would be any different than evaluating Kayo! I have never said call him in and play him, only call him in and evaluate him. Even with a bigger pool to draw from, our healthy options at striker are underwhelming.

Lilshmike
Post #470
Tuesday March 3, 2020 4:23pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from Know Nothing

HOW?!

Does a friendly in February count less then a friendly in March? Seems to me they count the same. If Camp Cupcake is different, the match should be labeled a "B" match. At the end of the day, however, the matches count the same. Proof of that is after our Camp Cupcake we gained two points in the FIFA rankings.

Regardless, GGG should approach building every roster with an eye towards putting the best team he can assemble out there each time we are scheduled to play. Solely using your league strength defense, he has failed to do so. But every coach needs latitude with his roster choices.

Kayo was called in to camp to instead of players that played and produced in a higher league to be evaluated to see how he fit with the team. Presumably GGG was underwhelmed by others so he made that decision to either evaluate a player or light a fire or both. Fine...his decision...I am fine with that.

But I fail to see how evaluating ArJo would be any different than evaluating Kayo! I have never said call him in and play him, only call him in and evaluate him. Even with a bigger pool to draw from, our healthy options at striker are underwhelming.
1) You are comparing a player on the back end of his career who hasn't played consistently for 5+ years and recently played in a game, to a player who is at the beginning of his career who had played an entire season in the lead up to him getting called. They are not the same. The circumstances are different... and that is before pointing out the fact that they play entirely different positions. Your argument has always been that a precedent was set with calling up an "unattached" player - and I am telling you that you are wrong with that logic. Now if you are now changing your tune to reflect that Kayo was not at the level to where a USMNT call should be... yes, we both agree on that. But that is a different argument than "unattached". And regardless of the argument, the circumstances surrounding both are different (as noted in my first sentence).

2) Its pretty much unanimously agreed (yet not entirely publicly stated) that camp cupcake is a "B" camp with a "B" match. Look at the roster fielded by Costa Rica... that was a B team at best for them. And with respect to your statement on the FIFA rankings system, there are flaws. We would stand to gain more points in the rankings by beating Haiti in the CONCACAF nations league than by beating Brazil in a regular friendly... so a 2 point jump is insignificant.

3) You and I agree on Kayo. What is your point here? I stated it multiple times. I'm not defending the Kayo call up, I don't think he should have made the cut. I'm only pointing out that your original basis for arguing against him was his "unattached" status and the "precedent" that was set by selecting a player who is out of contract. That, and that the circumstances with Kayo are not the same as ArJo (see point 1).

4) You are now framing your argument as "we randomly took a look at Kayo (who did not deserve it), so why don't we do the same with ArJo (who does not deserve it)". My response to that is, "two wrongs don't make a right". Certainly there can be a exception here and there, and Camp Cupcake provides the perfect environment for that because of the scenarios involved with the timing of the camp and availability of players (between it being off season for MLS, clubs not required to release players, potential player transfers to other clubs, the level of friendly as other nations are dealing with similar circumstances, etc.). There should be some level of experimentation with national team 23 man rosters - maybe 3 to 4 random toss up guys to take a look at each time... but those guys need to earn it and prove that they deserve to be selected. Alvarado will likely get called. He has earned it. Reyna will get called. He has earned it. At this point, ArJo hasn't earned it based on the fact that he hasn't played consistently for years, he doesn't play in a strong league, is on the back end of his career, and with his age and track record of injuries... he hasn't demonstrated that he is worthy of a significant investment of time and energy to get him in the setup. If he turns that around before June, stays healthy, and scores a respectable amount of goals, he should make an argument at that time.

5) Building off point 4, and responding directly to your 2nd paragraph stating "GGG should approach building every roster with an eye towards putting the best team he can assemble out there each time we are scheduled to play"... we are scheduled for 2 relatively tough European friendlies this month. I agree, we should aim to put out the best roster possible... so why on earth should we be calling in random players who lack consistent matches and game fitness to simply "take a look"? As you yourself stated... I'm sorry, but you cannot have it both ways.

Know Nothing
Post #471
Tuesday March 3, 2020 5:09pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Sorry, not convinced.

stoked-3
Post #472
Saturday March 7, 2020 4:37am

Joined Mar 2020
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Original post from Lilshmike

If you are fully aware, then you would know that there was no standard broken. Kayo legitimately was called up in an off window camp, having played consistently in USL (which for the record, I don't think is good enough) at the same time as everyone else... having played his last game in December and being called into a camp in January. The entire "unattached" status meant nothing in the grand scheme of things because everyone in camp with the exception of 2 people were out of season and had all played their last game at the same time... Kayo included. Come on, man. It would be a different thing if Kayo was called up this window... but he wasn't. And for the record... Kayo didn't even dress for the January camp friendly... so he didn't get a cap and there isn't even an asterisk to reference in this case.

And if we are to judge Johannsson on his past performances... which were legitimately 5+ years ago, because thats the last time he was actually healthy and playing consistently... then why aren't we applying that standard to everyone else?

Lets judge Michael Bradley based on his performances 5 years ago. Lets judge Terrence Boyd and Gedion Zelalem on their performances and potential from 5 years ago. Lets call in Geoff Cameron on based on his performances from 5 years ago. What about Brek Shea too?

Just because someone scores 2 goals in 45 minutes of play in a Swedish cup game, against a recently promoted team from the lower levels of Sweden, does not mean that person should get called into the national team... especially considering that person hasn't been fit or played consistently in years. Hop off the Europe hype train.

We wouldn't call in an MLS player, after having not played in years and coming off injury, simply because he scored 2 goals against a USL side in the US Open Cup. What makes this any different?

Hopefully ArJo can get back to scoring goals. If he manages to be the #1 striker at Hammarby and/or score a bunch of goals between now and June, all while staying free of injury, he should have made a good case for inclusion. But Its highly unlikely that he will get selected this next window. I wouldn't be terribly shocked if he was called in, but he should absolutely not be included yet.


I believe Jordan Morris was brought in after his acl injury ?

stoked-3
Post #473
Saturday March 7, 2020 4:52am

Joined Mar 2020
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Original post from Lilshmike

Sabbi has played as a striker.

Jozy if healthy, Zardes, and Morris for starters...

I'll even go as far to say Dwyer, Ramirez, Bunbury, and Agudelo... all of whom are in the same age range as Johannsson, lack the horrific track record of being injured for 50 weeks the year for last 5 years, and have played for the USMNT in the time since ArJo's last appearance... 5 years ago.

This also neglects to include Sargent and even (as it pains me to say) Haji Wright.

ArJo shouldn't get called in this window. And to be blunt, the only reason we are talking about him is because he scored 2 goals in a cup game in Sweden after him being a ghost for years. Let's hop off the hype train for a minute and get real. Bobby Wood should stand the same chance of getting called in as Johannsson... and there is no way he should get called in.

ArJo, if he continues to get playing time and scores goals consistently, could be a good option for the next window after March... but at this point in time its too little too soon and he quite frankly hasn't done anything or merit to earn it. Especially when there are a number of players (ones that I mentioned) who have created a much better argument up to this point.

I will reiterate that I like the guy, and I think that when healthy and in form he is our best striker... but his lack of playing time, track record of injuries, and questionable fitness and scoring record in the last 24 to 60 months should in absolutely no way have him near the USMNT until he turns that around and is able to prove he can stay healthy and get back to his old ways.

And again... none of this is controversial.


Controversial is not thinking outside the box. Not calling him in until he is healthy for a period time is fine, but this idea that Zardes is the only option is foolish. The idea of the standard you talk about for callup is fine in theory if we were a world power, but once you miss the WC in the manner in which we did, we need to expand our ideological thinking. you can not go simply on goals-if we were we should have called Wondo again.

You mentioned our best striker is Jozy, but yet you defend the Zardes call ups- Why do you rate Jozy over Zardes?

At this point we need to expand the player pool. I will repeat club playtime should not be a line in the sand. We keep bringing in guys whom play well for their clubs but simply can not hang at the Int level.

It is clear to most people that: Baird, Lovit, Sweat, Roldon, Ariola, etc can not hang at the Int level, but we continue to call them. Why not brng new guys in camp-I am fine with the Kayo callup perse -we should have brought in fringe players into every camp.

Sure most fringe players will not work out, but what we do know is the majority of the MLS call up regulars do not cut it on the Int level. including Zardes-

Right now we have a depth problem, we have an injury problem: we need to experiment to see whom can swim at this level. bring in the young promising players-it is way to hard for someone new to get a call up if you are not an mls player that should not be the case

Northlander
Post #474
Tuesday March 10, 2020 3:41pm

Joined Jun 2014
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Scored again. 3 goals in 3 matches, granted they were Swedish cup and the opponents were 1st, 2nd, and 3rd division teams.

Played the full 90 though in the latest match. Hopefully he can continue to build on the promising start to the year. I agree with a lot of folks that I have always like Aron, but at this point he has some work to do to be brought back into consideration. There could be a role for him with skill set, experience, mentoring, but he would need to force the issue with continually solid performances.

Lot of promising youth coming into the fold or close too, there is something to be said for a player that has been to a world cup to be around those youth.

Lilshmike
Post #475
Tuesday March 10, 2020 4:05pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from stoked-3

I believe Jordan Morris was brought in after his acl injury ?
Agreed, but Morris was out with injury for less than 12 months... not a matter of perpetually for 5 years.

I'm not defending that Morris decision. I didn't think it should have occurred when it did, but lets not kid ourselves and say he hasn't been productive. Over the last 5 years, if you compare Morris to Johannsson, it isn't even a competition. Morris blows him out of the water at both the club and international level in pretty much every category. And considering that now Johannsson is at a level that is slightly below MLS... he realistically is at a slight disadvantage when comparing the two of them.

My point here being, they are not the same circumstance. Morris was injured for less than a year, but has been highly productive when he played both before and after injury. The same cannot be said for Aron... who hasn't played consistently in 5 years, and who's last productive club year with double digit goals was in 2014-2015... compared to Morris' last in 2019. And to be blunt, that point cannot be debated.

Lilshmike
Post #476
Tuesday March 10, 2020 4:23pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from stoked-3

Controversial is not thinking outside the box. Not calling him in until he is healthy for a period time is fine, but this idea that Zardes is the only option is foolish. The idea of the standard you talk about for callup is fine in theory if we were a world power, but once you miss the WC in the manner in which we did, we need to expand our ideological thinking. you can not go simply on goals-if we were we should have called Wondo again.

You mentioned our best striker is Jozy, but yet you defend the Zardes call ups- Why do you rate Jozy over Zardes?

At this point we need to expand the player pool. I will repeat club playtime should not be a line in the sand. We keep bringing in guys whom play well for their clubs but simply can not hang at the Int level.

It is clear to most people that: Baird, Lovit, Sweat, Roldon, Ariola, etc can not hang at the Int level, but we continue to call them. Why not brng new guys in camp-I am fine with the Kayo callup perse -we should have brought in fringe players into every camp.

Sure most fringe players will not work out, but what we do know is the majority of the MLS call up regulars do not cut it on the Int level. including Zardes-

Right now we have a depth problem, we have an injury problem: we need to experiment to see whom can swim at this level. bring in the young promising players-it is way to hard for someone new to get a call up if you are not an mls player that should not be the case
1) I don't think Zardes is our only option. and to be clear, its not that I'm defending the Zardes decisions... only pointing out that GGG really doesn't have any other choice. I understand why he keeps getting called in. Don't act like you don't already know that... you're on the boards enough to know my stances... they have not changed and I have covered the Zardes topic countless times.

2) Jozy is a better striker than Zardes in my opinion because I feel he has a better touch, has higher intelligence on the field, is a better finisher of the ball, has vastly more experience than Zardes both at the club and international level, and he brings a dynamic that Zardes cannot with his size and ability to play as a hold up man in the front.

3) You say we need to expand our player pool by thinking outside the box, referring to guys who play good at club but can't hack it at the international level... suggesting we should look at guys who aren't starters for their clubs or who potentially play in youth teams. What I am saying is that if we are comparing a bunch of guys who are all playing professional at relatively the same level... if a guy can't even be a consistent starter and produce for their club, what evidence is there that they can hack it at the international level? None whatsoever. Thats why playing and producing for club is vitally important. And remember... we aren't comparing guys like Sargent who right now who is sub in the Bundesliga... we are comparing MLS to Sweden or youth European teams. Lets get real here.

4) Your last point about it being harder for guys not in MLS to get called in... legitimately who outside of MLS in a league as good or better than MLS is actually playing and can demonstrate that they are more deserving of a call-up than their MLS counterparts? Gall, an MLS washout and Swedish league benchwarmer? Sabbi, playing at a similar level to MLS and has not produced noticeably better stats or performances than guys in MLS? Cappis, who was called into the December camp? The only people who legitimately have an argument and could be seen as snubbed are Holmes and Robinson... both of whom have been called in and have caps, but are injured right now and unavailable. We genuinely lack other options.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #477
Tuesday March 10, 2020 4:33pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Original post from Lilshmike

1) I don't think Zardes is our only option. and to be clear, its not that I'm defending the Zardes decisions... only pointing out that GGG really doesn't have any other choice. I understand why he keeps getting called in. Don't act like you don't already know that... you're on the boards enough to know my stances... they have not changed and I have covered the Zardes topic countless times.

2) Jozy is a better striker than Zardes in my opinion because I feel he has a better touch, has higher intelligence on the field, is a better finisher of the ball, has vastly more experience than Zardes both at the club and international level, and he brings a dynamic that Zardes cannot with his size and ability to play as a hold up man in the front.

3) You say we need to expand our player pool by thinking outside the box, referring to guys who play good at club but can't hack it at the international level... suggesting we should look at guys who aren't starters for their clubs or who potentially play in youth teams. What I am saying is that if we are comparing a bunch of guys who are all playing professional at relatively the same level... if a guy can't even be a consistent starter and produce for their club, what evidence is there that they can hack it at the international level? None whatsoever. Thats why playing and producing for club is vitally important. And remember... we aren't comparing guys like Sargent who right now who is sub in the Bundesliga... we are comparing MLS to Sweden or youth European teams. Lets get real here.

4) Your last point about it being harder for guys not in MLS to get called in... legitimately who outside of MLS in a league as good or better than MLS is actually playing and can demonstrate that they are more deserving of a call-up than their MLS counterparts? Gall, an MLS washout and Swedish league benchwarmer? Sabbi, playing at a similar level to MLS and has not produced noticeably better stats or performances than guys in MLS? Cappis, who was called into the December camp? The only people who legitimately have an argument and could be seen as snubbed are Holmes and Robinson... both of whom have been called in and have caps, but are injured right now and unavailable. We genuinely lack other options.


Zardes has been the mens striker with the most goals for the past 2 years. Yes he has a lot of faults but the man does have a knack of putting the ball in the back of the net even if he has to use his face.

Lilshmike
Post #478
Tuesday March 10, 2020 6:05pm

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Original post from Kamphgruppe

Zardes has been the mens striker with the most goals for the past 2 years. Yes he has a lot of faults but the man does have a knack of putting the ball in the back of the net even if he has to use his face.
Exactly. Zardes makes it extremely difficult to be excluded from the conversation. And somehow its a shock and cause for outrage from people (especially on this website) when he gets called in...

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #479
Tuesday March 10, 2020 6:21pm

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Original post from Lilshmike

Exactly. Zardes makes it extremely difficult to be excluded from the conversation. And somehow its a shock and cause for outrage from people (especially on this website) when he gets called in...


He does a lot of things very well, hold up play, good runs into the box, good positioning, decent heading ability, great defensive work, high energy with an incredible work rate. I remember when he was a highly touted youngster. A lot of faults got overlooked back then as people thought he might grow past them. He really didn't get past a lot like his painful first touch but he has added some veteran savvy. We have better strikers in the pipe (I really thought Sargent was that guy) but none have yet stepped up. Until they do I don't see why there is so much griping about Zardes.

Know Nothing
Post #480
Tuesday March 10, 2020 7:28pm

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Original post from Kamphgruppe

He does a lot of things very well, hold up play, good runs into the box, good positioning, decent heading ability, great defensive work, high energy with an incredible work rate. I remember when he was a highly touted youngster. A lot of faults got overlooked back then as people thought he might grow past them. He really didn't get past a lot like his painful first touch but he has added some veteran savvy. We have better strikers in the pipe (I really thought Sargent was that guy) but none have yet stepped up. Until they do I don't see why there is so much griping about Zardes.


I don't think people are griping about calling in Zardes, it is more lamenting the fact that he has been established in the role in the first place.

If GGG wants to bring in a player to occupy a central defender and offer a bit of a physical presence so the wingers can flourish then fine, I have no problem with him or Jozy.

But guys like that are easy to defend. Zardes does well bringing others into the play but I would not label him as a natural finisher or a guy that can create his own space for a goal. Jozy is the same with a little more natural finishing ability.

I would argue a plan B would be nice to change things up. I suppose Morris is that guy right now, but ArJo in form would be better.

We can argue Morris was not out injured for that long and quickly got his place back. But getting your place back in MLS to me would seem to be much easier than getting your place back in the Bundesliga.

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