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Post #211
Monday December 23, 2013 11:18pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 237
Original post from thisguy2

All those talking about Sunderland being a average team are just in denial, this team literally is not good enough this season, only two wins this season is pathetic. Jozy made a horrible move, we all know that but let's not continue to put false hope for Sunderland. We all know what is going to happen at the end of the season.

As for the Dutch league people need to stop talking down on that league! It's very frustrating to hear people say it's easy to score goals in that league...if it's so easy than why don't known of you go there and play in that league, let's see you score goals. Also there are a lot of great players that came out of that league! If you disagree on that regards you are oblivious to the fact! Fuck it done venting....

Btw Merry Christmas


Yeah, it does sound like you've had too much of the adult eggnog.

thisguy2
Inland empire
Post #212
Tuesday December 24, 2013 12:02am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 194
Wow really ?! Let's see let's name some players that came out of the league to be one of the best in Europe..... Ruud Van Nistelroy, Romario, Edgar David's, Suarez, and let's all remember el phenomenon Ronaldo of Brazil! Yes because all those some of you who argue players whom come out of that league is trash. Did I mention Van Persie, Robbe, Stam, Snieder, and the list goes on and on.

So let's see you guys can talk all that shit on the Dutch league, but what great and famous player came from MLS? Anyone? Right, no one. Yes the MLS is an alright league, but you shouldn't talk shit on a league if it's not better than your own.
Thisguy2
2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #213
Tuesday December 24, 2013 5:09am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,237
Some of the best and most noteworthy strikers have come from the Eredivisie. I agree that the Eredivisie isn't exactly that high on defense, but If you look at the EPL and La Liga in total goals allowed the past couple of seasons it would seem those two leagues lack defense as well.

And lets be frank. Soccer is more fun to watch when more goals are scored.

I enjoy watching the Eredivisie because all teams try to attack.

dolcem
Post #214
Tuesday December 24, 2013 6:28am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,062
It is true that the Eredevisie produces amazing players. It's also true that some of its top scorers were mediocre players. In Jozy's case, it was time for him to go. While he was probably closer to the latter category than the former, he was a starter for two seasons there and scored tons of goals. Let's also not forget that a lot of his service come from a player who was going to be leaving (Maher). Not that Jozy was too good for the Eredevisie, but I don't think there wasn't much else for him to learn there (especially if he stayed at AZ). It was time for him to go to a better league and work on different parts of his game.

Ligue 1 would've been the best choice, IMO. He would start on most teams there and would probably play well. Ligue 1 has a great track record at producing big, physical players like Jozy (Drogba comes to mind). After that, the Bundesliga. It is a very similar style to the Eredevisie, just better, and is a great place for a striker to play. I think he would've really succeeded there, too. La Liga also would've been nice as it would have forced him to really work on his technical skill. And going to Brazil would've been a nice move too, but I could see him wanting to test himself against better defenses at this point. And of course Americans for some reason are very biased against the South American leagues (or probably it's just a question of money, although you can make decent buck playing in Brazil).

Going to a low-tier EPL team was the one place he should not have gone. Everyone seemed thrilled but I was not too happy about it (at first I tried to be optimistic and hoped that Sunderland would improve with all of their new signings and that he could work on his holding skills but we all figured very quickly out that wouldn't be the case). Going to any of the top six leagues (aside from Serie A) would have been better. How many top players are produced by these lower half EPL teams? There are 8 other leagues with better track records at developing young talent than the EPL (especially if you exclude Arsenal and ManU, the only two English teams with a recent history of developing quality players).

Altidore made this mistake TWICE. At Hull it was the same exact thing (he went there instead of excellent choices Olympiakos and St. Etienne, because Michael Bradley told him that "you learn a lot about yourself by playing for a team battling relegation"). When will we ever learn? I very much had this move in mind when I wrote my set of guidelines (other thread).
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MSantoine
Post #215
Tuesday December 24, 2013 4:30pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,231
Original post from thisguy2

Wow really ?! Let's see let's name some players that came out of the league to be one of the best in Europe..... Ruud Van Nistelroy, Romario, Edgar David's, Suarez, and let's all remember el phenomenon Ronaldo of Brazil! Yes because all those some of you who argue players whom come out of that league is trash. Did I mention Van Persie, Robbe, Stam, Snieder, and the list goes on and on.

So let's see you guys can talk all that shit on the Dutch league, but what great and famous player came from MLS? Anyone? Right, no one. Yes the MLS is an alright league, but you shouldn't talk shit on a league if it's not better than your own.


Your talking about two, unrelated things. I never said the Dutch league cant produce high quality players. Dutch League is a fantastic development league. Im arguing that scoring 30 goals in Holland is more impressive than scoring 10 goals in EPL or Germany. Look at recent history (all but Suarez in your list was a different era, when Ajax was a world power and the big 3 didnt monopolize UCL). Times have changed. The last 3 years no top striker in Holland has become a top striker in a big 3 league. Thats fact. Not opinion.

thisguy2
Inland empire
Post #216
Tuesday December 24, 2013 9:03pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 194
Opinion or not, you generalized the Dutch league in general. Not trying to trash talk to you specifically, next time you trash talk a league be sure to include in detail what your saying. By the way there are always great potential coming out of that league. It may not be the greatest but it still has very attacking quality games. Also, was and always will be a great team both in competing and developing star players. If you don't agree ask anyone who is a serious soccer enthusiast.

Good day sir
Thisguy2
admsghs27
Post #217
Tuesday December 24, 2013 9:29pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,400
In developing, producing players i think the dutch league has done a better job than the epl. The epl is not that good in producing players starting with their academies Don't really remember a big time player in the past yrs they just buy players once their good. I think Germany, along with Holland, Spain and even Croatia do the best job in producing talent and development. South America used to be the best in the world with argentina and brazil but has since dropped, but they are still some of the best in the world. Good example which league is better the Erevidise or Epl ? Of course Epl, but who is better in soccer England or Holland ? Of course Holland is and will probably always be.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #218
Sunday January 5, 2014 4:02am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,961
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transf...

Stoke trying to get Aron guys I'm scared

admsghs27
Post #219
Sunday January 5, 2014 4:10am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,400
Original post from EKneezy

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transf...

Stoke trying to get Aron guys I'm scared


Oh god please no. AZ is a better team than Stoke. He should stay at AZ until After the WC. If he has a big World cup his transfer fee will easily exceed 10 million Euros. Double from now.

stone88
Post #220
Sunday January 5, 2014 4:48am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 893
Mexican National Team= Club America

US National Team= Stoke City

admsghs27
Post #221
Sunday January 5, 2014 4:57am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,400
Original post from stone88

Mexican National Team= Club America

US National Team= Stoke City


Lol what ever happened to Fulham. Well shea is not at stoke and Edu is a lost cause. cant really call them USA. Ill tell you who is USA. Xolos Tijuana = USA.

blaise213
San Francisco CA
Post #222
Sunday January 5, 2014 5:55am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,401
Original post from stone88

Mexican National Team= Club America

US National Team= Stoke City


Pretty funny if they landed Aron Johannsson and Juan Aguedelo. I'd be an instant stoke fan

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #223
Sunday January 5, 2014 6:11am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,237
Whatever if he gets signed then he gets signed. I would rather see him stay AZ and then move in the summer after the WC. But Stoke does have players that can provide good service i.e. Arnautovic, Ireland, Adam, Assaidi, Cameron.

Also Shea might be back, and I wouldn't mind seeing a Shea to Aron connection.

Peter Crouch looks to be on his way out, so Aron would definitely be the main striker.

But in saying that I don't see AZ selling for anything less than 10 million Euros, and I don't see Stoke putting up that kind of money for him.

Jzaval01
Post #224
Sunday January 5, 2014 6:54am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,682
Stoke not as bad as sunderland but its extremely ambitious for Iceman. I agree AZ will not sell them for 5m but if this were to happen and turn out successful then it would keep our striker option a toss up between Jozy and Iceman. Def Iceman if he starts bagging goals in premier league faster than Jozy which no doubly he has the ability to do that and more.

navi8132
Post #225
Sunday January 5, 2014 2:55pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,052
It's not too bad....rather he not be in the EPL though...whatever, its silly season, next he will be linked to (insert ridiculous team)

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