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Post #196
Saturday December 21, 2013 11:13pm

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True words used in different countries others considered racist. To him is normal words he grew up using on a daily basis. I guess is how other people take it. The biting idk why anyone would do that. Boxing ?? Lol

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #197
Sunday December 22, 2013 12:37am

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That doesn't excuse him from using that word in a derogatory manner, in which he did. He knew exactly what he was doing and he knew exactly the meaning behind.

Really don't like to see people excusing a player of racism just because he has talent.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #198
Sunday December 22, 2013 12:55am

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Original post from 2tone

That doesn't excuse him from using that word in a derogatory manner, in which he did. He knew exactly what he was doing and he knew exactly the meaning behind.

Really don't like to see people excusing a player of racism just because he has talent.


Not excusing anyone. You don't know what he was doing nor do you knew if he knew the exact meaning. THIS year is the first where he is actually giving interviews in English and it's still hard to understand him. So him saying a word that is used as a term of endearment in his language, it's very easy to misinterpret. Glen Johnson, a BLACK man, came out and said that Suarez uses that term around him but he knew the meaning. I don't care if Suarez sucked, it doesn't change the facts.

admsghs27
Post #199
Sunday December 22, 2013 1:27am

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Many slurs/words are taken out of context maybe black people in Uruguay/south America were OK with it what he said. Anyways to refresh my memory what word did he exactly say ??? I don't really remember.

chillguy1992
Post #200
Sunday December 22, 2013 4:04am

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He reportedly repeatedly said the word negro multiple times along with. Now lets be clear negro is the spanish word for black and is used by people in latin america to refer to black people. In that context it is not deregotary and is not offensive. However according to evra suarez said he had kicked evra earlier in the game because he is black and he doesnt speak to blacks. Suarez denied this and said he had said the word once to be concilatory and friendly. The fa panel itself using linguistic experts believed that suarez had used the word neither in a concilatory or friendly way. How all of this information is interpeted is up to you. I have already made up my mind but I will let everyone else make up theirs.

Tiger
Post #201
Sunday December 22, 2013 6:11am

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The verbal exchange between Evra and Suarez began when Evra, all the while glaring like an angry cobra, called Suarez a "dirty South American".

Suarez attempted to defuse the tension reaching out and tousling the top of the shorter Evra's head in a brotherly manner while saying 'Take it easy negrito."

Evra appears to have been the only one actually guilty of engaging in hurling ignorant, offensive ethnic slurs.

Anyone with a rudimentary grasp of Spanish knows that blacks are normally referred to as negros, just as whites are normally referred to as blancos.

A rudimentary understanding of idiomatic Spanish usage yields the knowledge that "ito" is added to a word to indicate affection. This is just as Glen Johnson explained at the time (albeit in vain to the willfully uncomprehending English FA and media), that Suarez affectionately calls him "negrito". "Blanquito" is used in exactly the same manner.

It was conveniently self serving for Evra and the FA to manufacture and falsely accuse Suarez of racism. It was a cheap shot and low blow all around against Suarez.

Evra was allowed to falsely cloak himself in the clothes of the victim, while actually having been the aggressor. Evra's insistence that he was a victim led to Suarez (who was in the midst of a stellar season) being abruptly sidelined for some nine matches.

Suarez's season was effectively derailed, as was Liverpool's.

The FA made a great display and show of piously pillorying and condemning Suarez, making him their high profile poster bad boy for their "Down with Racism" publicity campaign.

There is also the small matter of the fact that one of Suarez's grandfather's is/was part black.

Not fully content and satisfied, the FA then added further insult to injury, forcing Suarez to shake Evra's hand for the cameras, prematch on pitch, after Suarez's suspension finally was lifted.

Suarez, graciously taking the high road, complied with the FA's edict, if only so that he might finally be done with the farce and charade and finally able get back to the actual business of playing professional football.

navi8132
New York
Post #202
Sunday December 22, 2013 3:11pm

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This is the Johannsson thread...

hamsamwich
Post #203
Sunday December 22, 2013 3:41pm

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Actually "blanquito" would be a good name for Johansson, those Icelandic people truly are white. But the boy can kick that ball in the net, get em Blanquito! or not.

Seriously though 2 million wouldnt be worth it, but we dont know about Alkmaars financial situation etc. You would think they could recoup more than 2 million for a player like Aron. All of a sudden he has gone from a promising talent to a guy that is going to be on the World Cup roster. How quick has this all gone, really?

Tiger
Post #204
Sunday December 22, 2013 8:29pm

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Although I was well aware before posting that this is a Johannsson thread, since the discussion had shifted to Suarez, it seemed appropriate to address the totality of the circumstances. All the more so since Suarez has been so unjustly vilified concerning what should have been dismissed as a non-incident, at least on his part.

One point I omitted was that Evra slapped/swiped at Suarez when Suarez made his on pitch attempt to extend a friendly and conciliatory gesture to Evra.

At any rate, the great season that Johannsson (AJ) is working to put together ought to open some good transfer possibilities for him. However, per Jozy Altidore's misstep to Sunderland, AJ and his representatives need to do their homework.

AJ could be a great fit for the right Bundesliga or La Liga side. Following Gotze's lead, Lewandowski tried to force his way out of Dortmund prior to the start of this season. He may well be gone this coming year. AJ could well slot in at Dortmund, amongst other upper table Bundesliga sides.

Similar opportunities are and will be available in La Liga.

The key is not to make a lateral move in terms of overall squad quality to what is an overall tougher league. A move from the Eredivisie to a higher competition league has to be to a preferably top table side. In no event should it be to anything less than what is or what projects to be a high mid table side.

To most knowledgeable observers, the 2013-14 edition of Sunderland was never projected to be anything beyond very low mid to bottom of the table. Sunderland's management and fans hoped against hope for more, however unrealistic.

Sunderland's squad as it is currently comprised, would be hard pressed to show well in the Eredivisie, much less the EPL.

AJ has the technical ability, understanding, and feel for the game to play for a top table side in La Liga and/or the Bundesliga. His course needs to be carefully charted and managed. Jozy's was clearly not.

tylercocinas
Post #205
Monday December 23, 2013 3:09pm

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I've seen quite a few people insinuate that Jozy didn't do his homework prior to the Sunderland move. This couldn't be further from the truth. They brought in 10+ new players so it was going to take time from a chemistry standpoint regardless. Additionally, just because there have been some hiccups along the way doesn't mean the man didn't do his due diligence. Sunderland are a few players away from being able to pull themselves out of the basement and seeing as how no one wants to get relegated, I would put money on them making those signings in the January window.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #206
Monday December 23, 2013 4:07pm

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Original post from tylercocinas

I've seen quite a few people insinuate that Jozy didn't do his homework prior to the Sunderland move. This couldn't be further from the truth. They brought in 10+ new players so it was going to take time from a chemistry standpoint regardless. Additionally, just because there have been some hiccups along the way doesn't mean the man didn't do his due diligence. Sunderland are a few players away from being able to pull themselves out of the basement and seeing as how no one wants to get relegated, I would put money on them making those signings in the January window.


I agree. The majority of us had no issue with the move. Now all of a sudden everyone wants to say it was a bad one and knew they would be fighting to stay up..
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thisguy2
Inland empire
Post #207
Monday December 23, 2013 5:52pm

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All those talking about Sunderland being a average team are just in denial, this team literally is not good enough this season, only two wins this season is pathetic. Jozy made a horrible move, we all know that but let's not continue to put false hope for Sunderland. We all know what is going to happen at the end of the season.

As for the Dutch league people need to stop talking down on that league! It's very frustrating to hear people say it's easy to score goals in that league...if it's so easy than why don't known of you go there and play in that league, let's see you score goals. Also there are a lot of great players that came out of that league! If you disagree on that regards you are oblivious to the fact! Fuck it done venting....

Btw Merry Christmas
Thisguy2
navi8132
New York
Post #208
Monday December 23, 2013 6:15pm

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That's not the point, his most significant due diligence was to check if the team had a proven ability to provide service to the strikers. That's the most important factor outside money and location he needed to consider. Terrible decision making is accurate. I didn't note anything about his move to Sunderland, nor research it while it was happening, that's Jozy's job.

MSantoine
Post #209
Monday December 23, 2013 8:18pm

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Original post from thisguy2

All those talking about Sunderland being a average team are just in denial, this team literally is not good enough this season, only two wins this season is pathetic. Jozy made a horrible move, we all know that but let's not continue to put false hope for Sunderland. We all know what is going to happen at the end of the season.

As for the Dutch league people need to stop talking down on that league! It's very frustrating to hear people say it's easy to score goals in that league...if it's so easy than why don't known of you go there and play in that league, let's see you score goals. Also there are a lot of great players that came out of that league! If you disagree on that regards you are oblivious to the fact! Fuck it done venting....

Btw Merry Christmas


Done that before. Here are some recent "world class Dutch League goal scorers" from a post in november in the Holland thread as you can see not a lot to get excited about. What player has been a big time Holland goal scorer and gone on to EPL, Bundesliga, Serie A, or La Liga and had success??:

The 2011-2012 goal leaders for Eredivisie and what they've done since:

Bas Dost (32 league goals)- 8 goals in a year and half for Wolfsburg (bundesliga)
de Jong (25)- 6 goals for Borussia M'Gladbach (bundes)
Malki(25) stayed with Roda, scored 17 more goals last year, and got a transfer to Turkey, 1 goal so far.
Mertens (21)- Stayed with PSV one more year. Now in Napoli, 1 goal in 10 appearances.
Guidetti (20)- Still property of Man City, Still on loan with Feyenoord
Toivonen (18)- Still with PSV

Those are all the people who scored more goals than Jozy in 2011-2012 (not enough games to use last years leaders). But you can clearly see scoring a lot of goals in Netherlands doesnt translate to a lot of goals elsewhere. 16 non-eredivisie goals from the 6 combined. Id say 10 goals in EPL or Bundesliga is more impressive than 30 in Netherlands

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #210
Monday December 23, 2013 8:55pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,410
Original post from thisguy2

All those talking about Sunderland being a average team are just in denial, this team literally is not good enough this season, only two wins this season is pathetic. Jozy made a horrible move, we all know that but let's not continue to put false hope for Sunderland. We all know what is going to happen at the end of the season.

As for the Dutch league people need to stop talking down on that league! It's very frustrating to hear people say it's easy to score goals in that league...if it's so easy than why don't known of you go there and play in that league, let's see you score goals. Also there are a lot of great players that came out of that league! If you disagree on that regards you are oblivious to the fact! Fuck it done venting....

Btw Merry Christmas


It's not easy enough for Sunday funday league players but for professionals, that's a league where it's easier to score goals as it's very attack-minded. That's why there have been PLENTY of forwards to score 35+ goals in a season, move onto a top 4 league and have trouble breaking 20 despite being surrounded by better overall talent. That's a fact. How do you explain that fact?

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