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MSantoine
Post #31
Sunday August 11, 2013 12:14pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from admsghs27

"Requirements to get on U.S. national team under Klinsmann: Be a fake American, be born outside the U.S., have one U.S. distant relative," Zimmerman wrote. "I see the team is calling in guys who are really Germans who know they've got no chance of playing for Germany so they'll settle with the U.S. That's embarrassing when a good friend of mine says he met one of the guys at the airport and he couldn't reply back in English as U.S. national (team) player."

Lol what a quote til this day is true "COME ON USA PRODUCE YOUR OWN PLAYERS LOL"

I know ima get bashed but an american soccer player that doesnt speak english which is true, i bet brooks, green, also jones dont speak it, is an absolute embarrassment.. If some are desperate i understand...


There are janitors, construction workers, secretaries, and many other professions in our country that employ American citizens who speak little to no English. They are as American as any of us by law. There's probably 25-30% of all people in this country speak English as a second language. If our team represented our country we would have 6-9 players on our roster like that. It seems about right to me

rjw77
Post #32
Sunday August 11, 2013 1:00pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 289
For me I'm totally open to dual-nationals but I always prefer homegrown players. It's unfortunate with guys like Jermaine Jones and Tim Chandler, where Jones held out for as long as he could basically until he decided to play for the US. And how Chandler still really doesn't want to play for the US except for wanting to go to the World Cup. Even Johannson, if Iceland had just as good a chance to play in the World Cup, he wouldn't even considered the US. These guys feel proud of their american heritage sure but their are guys in the MLS who would kill to represent their country, even in something as meaningless as January camp.

I'm still for dual nationals and am happy that johannsson and brooks have chose usa but ideally I would like a national team where everyone on the roster's dream had been to play for usa growing up.

dunlopp9987
Post #33
Sunday August 11, 2013 4:38pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,641
Original post from MSantoine

There are janitors, construction workers, secretaries, and many other professions in our country that employ American citizens who speak little to no English. They are as American as any of us by law. There's probably 25-30% of all people in this country speak English as a second language. If our team represented our country we would have 6-9 players on our roster like that. It seems about right to me


Spot on.
COYB!!
tylercocinas
Post #34
Sunday August 11, 2013 5:49pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Original post from admsghs27

every single german american playing for usa never never eveeeeeeeerrr had a chance to play for germany even brooks( germany calls players at 17,18,19 latest for young..),,, and us usa fans know it so we need to make them be better and appreciate usa more..


Fabian played in the UEFA U21 Final in 2009 for Germany. Jones has been called up for friendlies before switching. Yes, neither were in the senior team's longterm plans but my point was they were playing with Germany through their early 20's so what is the problem with Julian Green doing the same until: A) He makes it to the German first team or B) He doesn't?

Secondly: If I didn't know any better I would be inclined to say your tone is borderline xenophobic. Some of our German Americans might have been embarrassed about their level of fluency but Im sure they all are able to speak as well as you seem to be able to.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #35
Sunday August 11, 2013 6:10pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,410
Original post from tylercocinas

Fabian played in the UEFA U21 Final in 2009 for Germany. Jones has been called up for friendlies before switching. Yes, neither were in the senior team's longterm plans but my point was they were playing with Germany through their early 20's so what is the problem with Julian Green doing the same until: A) He makes it to the German first team or B) He doesn't?

Secondly: If I didn't know any better I would be inclined to say your tone is borderline xenophobic. Some of our German Americans might have been embarrassed about their level of fluency but Im sure they all are able to speak as well as you seem to be able to.


ooooo....got em.

tylercocinas
Post #36
Sunday August 11, 2013 6:20pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Not taking shots or anything, I just think making those players out to be anything less than American (i.e. non-english speaking mercenaries) is ridiculous. I mean Terrence Boyd has a tattoo of Old Glory on his arm. Do they make 'em any more patriotic than that??

We've had discussions of this nature 10000000 times and I respect everyone who isn't a fan of the whole dual-national situation. However, none of us are qualified to speak on how "American" those guys are, just like we can't speak on how "American" people who post on YA are.

stebe79
Post #37
Sunday August 11, 2013 11:41pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 4
Mehmet Ozil is Turkish, 6 of the starting 11 for Germany's first WC2006 team was Polish, including Miraslav Klose. I think it was Croatia who had a Brazillian born player, France has quite a few African born players. Everybody does it, if its a rule to allow dual nationals to make a one time switch then anyone can do it. With our soldiers stationed all over the world, it's no surprise that we will have quite a few of these dual nationals. If anything this will create competition at every position, which will only make us better. You want American born players only? Make them better. We finally have a vision for our future and our coaches are putting it into play.

MSantoine
Post #38
Monday August 12, 2013 12:07am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from stebe79

Mehmet Ozil is Turkish, 6 of the starting 11 for Germany's first WC2006 team was Polish, including Miraslav Klose. I think it was Croatia who had a Brazillian born player, France has quite a few African born players. Everybody does it, if its a rule to allow dual nationals to make a one time switch then anyone can do it. With our soldiers stationed all over the world, it's no surprise that we will have quite a few of these dual nationals. If anything this will create competition at every position, which will only make us better. You want American born players only? Make them better. We finally have a vision for our future and our coaches are putting it into play.


Exactly. Having a parent of a country should allow you to play for them regardless if you lived there. The part that is taken advantage of his a lot of the Africa players where because Ghana for example was a German colony Ghanaians are automatically also German. That's a rule that should be changed

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #39
Monday August 12, 2013 12:19am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,076
Jones lives in Miami with his family and dad! Boyd is really patriotic. That tattoo made me proud to have him play for us. The dual nationals occur on every team. Enough with this MURICA stuff.

skangles
DC
Post #40
Monday August 12, 2013 12:29am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,412
Original post from MSantoine

Exactly. Having a parent of a country should allow you to play for them regardless if you lived there. The part that is taken advantage of his a lot of the Africa players where because Ghana for example was a German colony Ghanaians are automatically also German. That's a rule that should be changed


I assume this is a hypothetical example. Germany occupied Togoland and part of Togoland spilled over into what is today Ghana but the overwhelming portion of Ghana belonged to the British in what was known as the Gold Coast. I also cannot think of any examples of a Ghanaian playing for Germany. The closest I can come up with is Patrick Owomoyela but he was born and raised in Germany to a Nigerian father and German mother.

tylercocinas
Post #41
Monday August 12, 2013 2:59am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
Jerome Boateng was also born to a Ghanian father and German mother. As was his half brother Prince, although he changed his allegiance to Ghana

Ohana
Post #42
Monday August 12, 2013 4:54am

Joined Jun 2013
Total Posts: 12
The US does NOT have an official language, English or otherwise. Look it up.

MSantoine
Post #43
Monday August 12, 2013 11:36am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from skangles

I assume this is a hypothetical example. Germany occupied Togoland and part of Togoland spilled over into what is today Ghana but the overwhelming portion of Ghana belonged to the British in what was known as the Gold Coast. I also cannot think of any examples of a Ghanaian playing for Germany. The closest I can come up with is Patrick Owomoyela but he was born and raised in Germany to a Nigerian father and German mother.


I may be mistaken but I thought I remembered hearing or reading that all those born in certain african countries can automatically gain the european country that used to colonize them citizenship upon request. I may just be thinking passport or work permit but I thought it was for citizenship.

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