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mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #121
Monday December 22, 2014 5:10am

Joined Mar 2014
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blaise123-

We're competing for the worldwide talent, and we're competing for it against like 30 other leagues. So is it better or worse that there's a worldwide talent pool compare to the NFL?
How are you viewing this as an upside to us expanding??

How many leagues do you suppose spend more per roster than we do right now?
http://screamer.deadspin.com/chart-the-averag...

24 teams is too many for what we're will willing to spend on each roster. Supporting 32 is unforeseeable at present.

joey11
Post #122
Monday December 22, 2014 5:54pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 278
admsghs27 and mmee

Thank you both for responding to blaise123 with my same thoughts. Yes geographically 32+ teams could work, heck nfl is thinking of expanding and putting a team in England! The thing is with MLS running during summer you'll never get that"worldwide" talent you say MLS has to choose from. Now, if MLS was like, Auhust-May, no salary cap and buy/sale it still wouldn't work, at this time and maybe never, because you compete against NFL and college football. The weather isn't a factor, look at Germany, Holland, etc, but competition for supporters.

It will never happened but I'd love to see MLS not go over 26 teams then US go to relegation system with league order as MLS, NASL, USL1, USL2.

MSantoine
Post #123
Monday December 22, 2014 6:05pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from joey11

admsghs27 and mmee

Thank you both for responding to blaise123 with my same thoughts. Yes geographically 32+ teams could work, heck nfl is thinking of expanding and putting a team in England! The thing is with MLS running during summer you'll never get that"worldwide" talent you say MLS has to choose from. Now, if MLS was like, Auhust-May, no salary cap and buy/sale it still wouldn't work, at this time and maybe never, because you compete against NFL and college football. The weather isn't a factor, look at Germany, Holland, etc, but competition for supporters.

It will never happened but I'd love to see MLS not go over 26 teams then US go to relegation system with league order as MLS, NASL, USL1, USL2.


If the MLS salaries were on par with the top euro salaries the players would come over. Until that time they wont. The trick is MLS getting revenues up so they can increase the salaries and in turn increase the skill level

MSantoine
Post #124
Monday December 22, 2014 6:11pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from admsghs27

It wont happen not even NFL can support 32 teams. Just look at Jacksonville, Rams, Raiders, even chargers etc... they are all thinking of relocating the city doesn't support the team constantly. I'm sure 10-20 years from now other NFL teams will be relocating as well. If it was up to me 20 trams would be perfect for MLS 24 is a bit much and also considering the schedule do you play more or less games ??? and also do not like the fact that there will be an extra playoffs spot makes the season a bit less competitive. Look at he NFL only 12 playoff spots out of 32 and MLS what ? 10 of 20 make the playoffs just look at the % difference is Huge, that's why NFL is very competitive every single game.


Yet you have cities like LA and Vegas begging to get an NFL team.

NHL has 30 teams (a better comp since it includes Canada) and there are tons of markets dying to get a team (google NHL expansion some time).
NBA has 30 teams and places like Virginia Beach, Seatlle, St Louis, Vegas, Hartford, and others are dying to get in as well.

If theres talent and money then the teams will get supported.

blaise213
Post #125
Monday December 22, 2014 7:13pm

Joined Sep 2012
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Original post from admsghs27

It wont happen not even NFL can support 32 teams. Just look at Jacksonville, Rams, Raiders, even chargers etc... they are all thinking of relocating the city doesn't support the team constantly.


Raiders have some serious problems with their stadium. Its outdated and surrounding area is abandoned industrial buildings mixed in with the hood. There the only team that shares with a baseball team. Things will change when they build a new stadium. Jacksonville is the result of poor drafting over the years. Rams ownership has ties to LA. Rams have drafted pretty well over the last years and are a few years away from being good again.

If anything I see the NFL expanding teams if they're looking to put a team in London and seeing how the san antonio market reacted to a Raider move.

Live490
Texas
Post #126
Monday December 22, 2014 8:09pm

Joined Mar 2013
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Out of the tópic but I didn't know where.. 33 year old Roque Santa Cruz is going to Mx for 2 mil per year making him be the highest paid player. :/ I thought they were paid better in Mx than MLS.. Didn't LD make 4.5 a year, Keane higher and Demps/Bradley way more? Does anybody know?

blaise213
Post #127
Monday December 22, 2014 9:12pm

Joined Sep 2012
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I'm assuming liga mx salaries are higher per player. Meaning that almost every player on a 23 man roster makes a million or more.

Ronaldinho only gets $2 million in liga mx

skangles
DC
Post #128
Monday December 22, 2014 9:25pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Herc was on $600-700k with Santos a few years ago. It might have also included housing, I cannot recall the details any longer but Herc was an important player at that point.

MLS salaries:

http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/April%201,%202014%20Salary%20Information%20-%20By%20Club.pdf

Live490
Texas
Post #129
Monday December 22, 2014 9:56pm

Joined Mar 2013
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Thanks guys.

MSantoine
Post #130
Tuesday December 23, 2014 1:28pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Im also going to go out on a limb and say that that probably is tax free money (like most euro nations) so its two mill in the pocket as opposed to US where 4.5 mill quickly dwindles down to "only" 2-2.5 mill

skangles
DC
Post #131
Wednesday December 31, 2014 2:56am

Joined Jan 2013
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Miami is ridiculous. They're now proposing a temporary stadium to Beckham. What a joke.

I feel bad for Beckham as he's tried to do everything the right way and the city has blocked him at every turn. If I were him I would have jumped ship to the ex-Chivas LA Franchise when Garber was dangling it in front of him as an alternative to the Miami nonsense.

Now he's running out of options and the MLS is also in a pickle because they gave him the contractual rights to a franchise. This could get messy and to be honest I think the best thing for all parties is to get Beckham a team in a market other than Miami. The challenge is that the good options at the moment (Minnesota, Vegas, Sacramento) already have prospective owners.

http://www.insideworldfootball.com/world-foot...

TheTruth
Post #132
Wednesday December 31, 2014 9:08pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
I couldn't imagine Becks not in NY, LA, or Miami. It's the brand.

blaise213
Post #133
Tuesday January 6, 2015 9:58pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,926
Might be some good news on potential MLS stadium sites and expansion!

ESPN is reporting that St Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke has teamed up with the owners of the Hollywood Park site to build an 80,000-seat stadium on a 298-acre parcel of land in Inglewood, CA.

This move could have a tremendous impact on MLS. I've always wanted that downtown Farmers field rendition for the LA Galaxy. Maybe LA Galaxy can team up with farmers to build that proposal but scaled down to 50,000 - 40,000 capacity. Famers offered to pay $500 million for the stadium rights.

If the Rams leave, then that leaves a vacant NFL stadium in St Louis. That could be an opportunity for MLS expansion into St Louis.

Additionally, the 4 cities (SF,LA,Boston,DC) get voted on thursday for the Olympic bid for 2024. Only one city is selected.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #134
Tuesday January 6, 2015 11:16pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
Original post from Live490

Out of the tópic but I didn't know where.. 33 year old Roque Santa Cruz is going to Mx for 2 mil per year making him be the highest paid player. :/ I thought they were paid better in Mx than MLS.. Didn't LD make 4.5 a year, Keane higher and Demps/Bradley way more? Does anybody know?


I linked to this already, about 8 posts up.

The Liga MX average salary is like double that of MLS. MLS is a bunch of haves and have-nots. That's why Liga MX whips the hell out of a given MLS team 95% of the time.

Random MX team starting XI:
a bunch of $200K to $2M players

whole squad average salary $400K

Random MLS starting XI:
1 $6M player
1 $3M player
a few 200K players
the rest 40K players

whole squad average salary $205K

dolcem
Post #135
Wednesday January 7, 2015 6:07pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Original post from mmee

I linked to this already, about 8 posts up.

The Liga MX average salary is like double that of MLS. MLS is a bunch of haves and have-nots. That's why Liga MX whips the hell out of a given MLS team 95% of the time.

Random MX team starting XI:
a bunch of $200K to $2M players

whole squad average salary $400K

Random MLS starting XI:
1 $6M player
1 $3M player
a few 200K players
the rest 40K players

whole squad average salary $205K


This is a common misconception repeated incessantly on these forums. The reality is more complex. Argentine teams with lower payrolls mop the floor wth Mexican teams for example, and the top South American sides have much lower payrolls than teams from some very mediocre European leagues.

Due to limits on foreign players, the vast majority of MLS players will be American. Raising the salary cap means they will be paid more but this will not magically turn them into better players-that comes with youth development. The only thing raising the cap will do is attract the odd American from abroad (not DP caliber) and slightly improve the quality of the (non-DP) foreign players that come here, although not that much because most come for the paycheck anyway rather than for developmental purposes. The league will consist of almost entirely the same players simply getting paid more, and it's obvious that this will hardly change the on-the-field product.

Of course I would like to see the salary cap raised because we need to get to the point where we aren't losing our Jordan Morris' and we can start attracting more kids to the sport (money plays a huge part in why kids of today aspire to be professional athletes)...and because while the DP rule is extremely necessary, the distribution of wealth in the MLS is like that of a banana republic. But I don't have any illusions about what it will do to the quality of play here.
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