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MSantoine
Post #91
Saturday May 17, 2014 1:12am

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Original post from dolcem

Why would we compare the MLS to other sports in the US, which have virtually no competition from other leagues around the world? At 30 the talent is way too diluted (especially if there's a salary cap). The level of play needs to be as competitive as possible or else it hinders the development of our players (and the on-the-field product).


The 30 teams is more of a reference to possible markets. More markets. More money. Higher cap. Higher quality players. Talent quantity isn't an issue to me. Once we have the markets ready the talent will come from South America and Europe.

dolcem
Post #92
Monday May 19, 2014 6:44am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from MSantoine

The 30 teams is more of a reference to possible markets. More markets. More money. Higher cap. Higher quality players. Talent quantity isn't an issue to me. Once we have the markets ready the talent will come from South America and Europe.


I'm sure we could financially support 30 teams, it just wouldn't be a good idea.

The bulk of the players have to be American, and we don't have enough Americans to fill that many good teams (and won't for awhile). No country does, that's why no one has a 30 team league (Argentina will next year, which is the first I've ever heard of this happening, and we just had a huge protest about it because it's going to ruin the league). And we won't attract better foreign players without the Champions League or a high level of play. They won't want to play in a diluted MLS and of course the fans want good soccer, too. And most importantly, for the sake of the NT, we want American players playing in as good of a league as possible, and that matters for the players that leave as well (so that the step up to one of the better leagues isn't so big). Generally speaking (not always) for mid-tier leagues, the better the league, the better the players that come out of it.
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platter
Jacksonville, FL
Post #93
Monday May 19, 2014 2:31pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Original post from dolcem

I'm sure we could financially support 30 teams, it just wouldn't be a good idea.

The bulk of the players have to be American, and we don't have enough Americans to fill that many good teams (and won't for awhile). No country does, that's why no one has a 30 team league (Argentina will next year, which is the first I've ever heard of this happening, and we just had a huge protest about it because it's going to ruin the league). And we won't attract better foreign players without the Champions League or a high level of play. They won't want to play in a diluted MLS and of course the fans want good soccer, too. And most importantly, for the sake of the NT, we want American players playing in as good of a league as possible, and that matters for the players that leave as well (so that the step up to one of the better leagues isn't so big). Generally speaking (not always) for mid-tier leagues, the better the league, the better the players that come out of it.


In a nation the size of the USA, more teams are needed to market the league to wider audiences. MLS can expand the popularity of the sport by making locals interested in a local team. This is not the only or possibly even best way to grow the sport, yet it is a valuable tool none the less.
To compare the size of our league in a continent size area (US & Canada) with over 300 million people to small European national leagues is not fair.
Brazil is the best comparison, but even there Sao Paulo and Rio teams dominant over the more provincial cities something we do not wish to emulate. It is necessary to remember, we are a unique nation with unique demographic and geographic dynamics that leave comparisons to others somewhat mute.

MSantoine
Post #94
Monday May 19, 2014 3:32pm

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You cant really compare USA to any other country. If you go by size the similar developed countries are Canada, Russia, Brazil. But all three have massive regions of low populated areas. Siberia and north east russia don't need a team, nor would they support one. The Amazon (Manaus) area of brazil takes up a large section of its geography but not a large section of its population. Canada has the whole upper northwest ans upper saskatchewan sections.

USA has highly populated areas in all corners of our geography. From Boston/New York to Florida to New Orleans to Texas to Arizon to Cali to Seattle/Portland to Detroit to Chicago/Indianapolis and throughout in between (Dakotas/Montana is the biggest "region" that wouldnt support a team but its a relatively small area). Throw in the fact that we added Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal and its even larger. Since its really 1.5 countries (ours plus half of Canada's population density) then I could easily see 24 or so US teams (normal for a countries domestic league) and 6 Canadian teams (the current 3 plus some combination of Calgary,Winnipeg, Edmonton, Ottawa, and Quebec)

skangles
DC
Post #95
Monday August 4, 2014 1:04am

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The Sacremento Kings ownership is looking to buy the Sacremento Republic and turn them into a MLS side.

http://www.espnfc.us/major-league-soccer/stor...

dunlopp9987
Post #96
Monday August 4, 2014 1:24am

Joined Mar 2013
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Original post from skangles

The Sacremento Kings ownership is looking to buy the Sacremento Republic and turn them into a MLS side.

http://www.espnfc.us/major-league-soccer/stor...


Yes! Another California MLS team before plenty of other perfectly qualified cities don't have one!!

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nolefansandy
Post #97
Monday August 4, 2014 1:59am

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Sacramento deserves one more than NYC 2 or Atlanta does....

dunlopp9987
Post #98
Monday August 4, 2014 2:30am

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Original post from nolefansandy

Sacramento deserves one more than NYC 2 or Atlanta does....


Before a state like Texas or California gets ANOTHER team, places like St. Louis, Charlotte, Minneapolis, Detroit, etc. should be considered first.
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Jzaval01
Post #99
Monday August 4, 2014 2:37am

Joined May 2013
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Why is red bulls considered part of NY when its clearly in Harrison NJ which is another state that isnt NY. As for Sacramento why dont they just buy move and rebrand Chivas USA. I think a 3rd team in Cali doesnt make sense when you have a failure like Chivas USA. Not only that but neither Galaxy or Chivas sell out. move wouldnt make sense from perspective

nolefansandy
Post #100
Monday August 4, 2014 2:48am

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Original post from dunlopp9987

Before a state like Texas or California gets ANOTHER team, places like St. Louis, Charlotte, Minneapolis, Detroit, etc. should be considered first.


The Charlotte Eagles are folding in the USL Pro (Queen City will replace them next year), I agree Minneapolis is probably next in line but cities like St. Louis and Detroit etc need to prove it first. Sacramento were breaking attendance records this year in the USL Pro and already have a soccer specific stadium which none of the cities you just mentioned have yet acquired.

db707
Post #101
Monday August 4, 2014 12:33pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Cities to consider should be those that prove that they deserve it, based on local passion for the sport, committed ownership, fan base actually attending games at the MLS level or lower (like Orlando did), existence of or commitment to building a soccer-specific stadium, etc. Ultimately I hope we can have a strong MLS at 24 teams for the top tier, then NASL and USL Pro both strong as essentially 2A and 2B, NASL incorporating several Canadian teams. NASL's path concerns me at the moment with some of the expansion thinking, fighting with MLS/USL Pro over curious market choices (Northern Virginia suburbs, possibly Miami). Sacramento is making a good case for an MLS team, I'd like to see them sustain it in year 2. I do not want to see the rebranded Chivas USA stay in Los Angeles in the long-term.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #102
Monday August 4, 2014 4:09pm

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I'd rather have 3 teams in a city that support all 3 teams, than having those 3 teams spread out over 3 cities and 2 of them don't support the team.

If the support is there, give it to them.
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blaise213
Post #103
Monday August 4, 2014 4:31pm

Joined Sep 2012
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My ultimate dream would to have 5 teams in California

LA
SD (Chivas)
San Jose
Sacramento
San Francisco

If Sacramento does it right, they could build a massive stadium at the old rail yard land in their downtown district. The Sacramento Kings were supposed to build there for the last 10 years but opted to build more towards the mall

http://www.encasement.com/cases/clear-coat/ch...

MSantoine
Post #104
Monday August 4, 2014 5:09pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from blaise213

My ultimate dream would to have 5 teams in California

LA
SD (Chivas)
San Jose
Sacramento
San Francisco

If Sacramento does it right, they could build a massive stadium at the old rail yard land in their downtown district. The Sacramento Kings were supposed to build there for the last 10 years but opted to build more towards the mall

http://www.encasement.com/cases/clear-coat/ch...


Id rather see a second LA team, (or in Anaheim ala the Angels) then San Diego. San Diego sports teams dont seem to get very passionate fan bases.

blaise213
Post #105
Saturday December 20, 2014 4:53am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,842
The US Olympic Committee's board of directors voted unanimously Tuesday to submit a bid for the 2024 Summer Games and next month will choose one candidate from among Boston, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Washington, D.C., to join what is expected to be a crowded international field.

The San Francisco renderings are sick. I've always wanted an MLS team for San Francisco and this would help the cause.

I think MLS needs to keep and eye on this. These stadiums could possibly suit an MLS team after the Olympics are over.

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