Post #46
Wednesday October 30, 2013 12:01am

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Although it doesn't seem like there is any plans to make an attempt at expansion into S. Louis that would easily be my top choice for the 24th team.

Post #47
Wednesday October 30, 2013 2:09am

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Original post from 2tone

Well, it looks almost a certainty that the next 3 teams after NYCFC are: Orlando City, Miami, and Atlanta. Southeast MLS footprint secure.

I think the three cities that will be dueling for that 24th team by 2020 will be:

San Antonio

Minneapolis looks the likely candidate for 24. MLS has had there eye on Minneapolis for awhile.

However Detroit is going to make a hard push.

San Antonio is more likely after 24.

MLS has been looking to secure another central time zone team mainly in the north central portion of the US.

I think your spot on. MLS has been very smart about expansion lately. They added Seatle, Portland, & Vancouver in a short time to bring instant rivalries, now it seems they'll do the same with the southeast. He stated hed love to be at 28 eventually. Id imagine the next group of 4 will be midwest rivalries. San Antonio, OKC, St Louis and then 1 canadian team (like the 1 NYC team with the southeast expansion). I think its a great model because you give fans a natural rival whos in the same boat as you and can instantly build hatred and big local derbies

Post #48
Wednesday October 30, 2013 12:27pm

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Original post from 2tone

For me the next 3 should be: Miami( not because I want Miami to have a team.), Atlanta, Minneapolis to reach 24 by 2020. There are good sources that say MLS wants to get to and stay at 28 teams.

So here are the cities/states that will be vying for those final 4 spots to get to 28:

St. Louis- I think it's criminal to not have St.Louis already in MLS, but an ownership group needs to step up first.
San Antonio
New York Cosmos
Ottawa- I think MLS will add another Canadian team, and Ottawa is most likely.
Las Vegas
Tampa Bay

Congrats to Orlando City.

Why do you think that Ottawa would be ahead of Edmonton? I get that Ottawa is the Capital but FC Edmonton are already in the NASL and serve as the fourth team in the Canadian Championship.

Post #49
Wednesday October 30, 2013 12:48pm

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Orlando's stadium will cost $84m. I'm curious to see what that gets you considering it will be a few years before the stadium opens. Toyota Park was $80m but that was back in 2005. By comparison Sporting Park and Red Bull Arena were $200m, PPL Park was $120m but BBVA Compass Stadium was $95m and opened last year.

Post #50
Wednesday October 30, 2013 1:40pm

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Depends on capacity/multi-functionality decisions really...and you need to know your market. They're probably going to shoot for 22-24k capacity but with all the other venues in the Orlando area for whatever, I don't think they'll need to take the "other uses" aspect of the grounds into consideration. This can keep costs down but may also limit potential income, but if you've got enough people on a season ticket waiting list to justify diving in, why wouldn't you?

Post #51
Monday April 7, 2014 6:02am

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ESPN FC just reported Atlanta got an MLS franchise!

I really dont know what MLS is doing. Another MLS team that will be treated second rate by an NFL owner.

Its cool and all the league is growing, but it's the wrong business model. They need to look at building their own stadium at the old Atlanta falcon stadium instead of sharing a stadium. Also someone needs to evaluate the possibility of renovating the Atlanta Braves stadium if they move

Post #52
Monday April 7, 2014 6:51am

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I agree I really thought it was gonna be st Louis. Hope is not like NE with Craft. He doesn'tcare about the team. Anyways I hope they build a 30k soccer stadium. Good for SE getting teams. I was think Alabama, mississippi, or somewhere else in Georgia, better yet the Carolinas.

Post #53
Monday April 7, 2014 5:02pm

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The MLS is seriously addicted to these expansion fees.

Atlanta is one of the worst professional sports cities in the US (along with any city in Florida). Two hockey teams died there and the Braves struggle to pull crowds during the playoffs. The Hawks have always been very poorly supported as well. The Falcons finally started to get fans after the new stadium was built, decades after their creation, but that's because football is a religion in the south.

These NFL owners are not good for the league. This will be New England part two, a poorly funded sideshow to help pay the rent.

Oh, and did I mention that they'll be playing on


The biggest problem with the MLS is that it actually has games played on turf. Do you play golf or tennis on turf? And even that'd make more sense than playing soccer on turf. How are we supposed to improve as a league when we still play games that are completely compromised by the playing surface? How can a team expect to develop attacking talent when over half its games are played on fields where you can't effectively play the ball on the ground?

Cities all over the US are clamoring for expansion teams. Cities with an actual fanbase and history, like St. Louis. Playing on grass has to be a requirement for any new MLS team and the league should be doing everything it can to get preexisting teams to move.

I'm not some sort of Eurosnob (pro/reg would never work in America and, thus, playoffs are necessary) but Jesus H. Christ. I hate to be a negative nancy but the league is not too big to fail. It's not profitable enough to afford more than the occasional failed franchise. And you look at teams with history, like New England and DC, struggling and it makes you worry. Not to mention we need all the money we can get for youth development if we ever want the league to compete with the best in Europe and actually draw TV audiences.
Post #54
Monday April 7, 2014 6:13pm

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I dont know about this. Atlanta teams are just terribly supported besides the Falcons and Braves. The Braves are moving to Cobb County which is a suburb county moving away from the city. Or as some politicians call it, "the inner city".

No one in Atlanta is from here. I'm not. People support their teams. But Atlanta is growing. MARTA is garbage but it has its uses.This seems like it could work but it needs support. Gotta wonder what happens with the Silverbacks.

Post #55
Monday April 7, 2014 6:47pm

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But look at the cool ass stadium they'll be playin in!!

Post #56
Monday April 7, 2014 7:02pm

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Whats the capacity 25-35k ?

Post #57
Monday April 7, 2014 7:46pm

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Could blow up in MLS' face or it could turn out to be something great. The demographics are changing in Atlanta. It's just as diverse as any other big city in the USA. A lot of Hispanics in Atlanta looking to support a pro team. And there is a good underground soccer culture in Atlanta.

Post #58
Tuesday April 8, 2014 3:48am

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I'm guessing Ottawa will get the next MLS expansion team. Just noticed they're building a new stadium in Ottawa for the 2015 FIFA Women's World cup.

24,000 seats, not bad I guess.

Post #59
Tuesday April 8, 2014 10:14pm

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The new Falcons stadium will look ridiculous if Atlanta pulls the kind of crowds that places like Columbus have pulled this season. NFL stadiums are a horrible idea, it only works in Seattle because the Sounders have such a massive following. Even then I'd rather the Sounders have a big SSS.

New England's stadium situation is terrible. DC's is a nightmare. The Kansas City Wizards were rumored to be on their way out of town for a while when they were at Arrowhead before a group of local investors stepped up.

It is difficult to envision an Atlanta team in an NFL stadium being a success. I wish Garber would have stuck to his guns that a SSS was a prerequisite for joining the league. That's way more important for the success of the league than being in the Southeast.

Post #60
Tuesday April 8, 2014 10:30pm

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Dint the sounders end their partnership with the Seahawks ??

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