Post #1
Thursday August 1, 2013 2:33pm

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so what are people thinking?

my thought is that 20 was a great number - especially with a few franchises struggling.

just more dilution. 22 tops. i think it is over-ambitious

Post #2
Thursday August 1, 2013 3:00pm

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This country is to big to not expand past 20 or 22 teams. Personally by 2030 I forsee the league having 30 teams split into two conferences.

You can voice concerns over dilution, but in the end more teams means giving more opportunities to talented players that might otherwise have been unseen.

Take for instance Florida. Usually the most talented athletes come from Florida, Texas, California, and the East Coast. Right now there are no MLS team in Florida, there are no scouts from MLS teams scouting Florida. Which means those players are not getting seen.

You put one or possible two MLS teams in Florida, and boom you have the resources to actually scout the Floridian talent pool.

20 is a great number for England or Spain or France's top flight because well those countries are small in comparison to the US.

Personally I think the magic number is 30.

Here are my next 4 expansion teams next not because I want these cities chosen necessarily, but because I think these cities will happen:

Orlando, Miami, Minnesota, San Antonio

Probably far from where you are...
Post #3
Thursday August 1, 2013 3:07pm

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@2tone - where does NYCFC play into that? Or do they?

Garber wasn't convincing on Chivas either - hope they move them IMO.
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Post #4
Thursday August 1, 2013 3:14pm

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28-30 will be great for the league. MLS's footprint needs to be as large as sustainably possible. That will get the league access to the largest markets TV wise, and other important markets that are soccer-fan hotbeds a la the PNW.

Subsequently NASL and USL Pro can fill in the gaps geographically and help continue the organic growth of the game in areas that couldn't support an MLS team but could manage somewhere between 3-8,000 per match.

I think the league should be cautious with Miami though. Although playing at FIU is an acceptable short term solution, I would want to see plans for a SSS in the city, and also a plan regarding how they intend to avoid attendance issues that Miami is notorious for, before allowing them to begin play in MLS.

Post #5
Thursday August 1, 2013 3:20pm

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Original post from CBoyd3142

@2tone - where does NYCFC play into that? Or do they?

Garber wasn't convincing on Chivas either - hope they move them IMO.

These teams are based off of the 4 after NYCFC.

Boston, Mass
Post #6
Thursday August 1, 2013 3:36pm

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I like expansion and I think with expansion comes more publicity and more fans but it also means that the talent pool is diluted. I mean as we produce more talent and more talented talent as we add teams then things could even out but still. I think when you look at MLS teams vs Europe and even Liga MX that the depth is ridiculously lacking. The only ways to build depth are raising salary cap or keeping the number of teams down. This is just a concern but I'm excited to see what expansion happens.

Post #7
Thursday August 1, 2013 4:04pm

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Im cool with expansion but the right expansion meaning fortune 500 companies smacking a world class stadium in a prime spot..... and not these chicken stadiums that look like bleachers with a roof.

MLS cant get the stadium shit right.

SJ Earthquakes new proposal is a joke by having the owner save a better spot for his baseball team.

The DC United stadium proposal is a joke. Why cant they build something like tottenham's new stadium with 30,000 seats. I swear to god people do not take weather into consideration with stadiums...

Post #8
Thursday August 1, 2013 4:16pm

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They need to max out at 24. I think that anything over that, it will take away from the market share in the MLS and make it harder to get better as a league. The main priority is making sure that all of the teams are successful and don't fail (Chivas USA is failing right now). If we could do 30, then do it. But I don't see a big enough fan base to support that at the moment. I think 24 is more realistic.

Potential cities

Las Vegas
San Diego
(NYC - Cosmos)
(Canada - Some other Canadian team)

Post #9
Thursday August 1, 2013 7:24pm

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@2tone, totally right about San Antonio and Miami/Orlando. FL is notorious for having MLS teams go under, but that's a huge untapped market both for fans and for talent.

I really believe that New Orleans needs a team...and not just a team, but an FC Dallas-esque program put into place with a thriving academy system and a lot of community outreach. I think FCD has established a good model for starting a franchise in a traditionally "American sports" city such as New Orleans, where the focus is usually always Football, Baseball and Basketball.

I believe that we should take a hint from the poor countries of the world that are excelling on an international stage in the's simple, really...invest time and resources into creating an "inner city" program by which kids that otherwise would not have the opportunity, are able to train and learn in a more regimented setting than playing pickup games in the park or kickaround in alleys or vacant lots. This is also contingent, though, on a more comprehensive physical education program administered through the schools. It'll be difficult for any system put in place to remain feasible without a steady stream of new talent coming in to be assessed/trained.

Post #10
Thursday August 1, 2013 8:19pm

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No one seems to be talking about St. Louis. I'd think it'd get at least a mention

I'm always skeptical of Atlanta. It never seemed like a city with good support for professional sports.

Post #11
Thursday August 1, 2013 8:29pm

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It will be very interesting to see how the MLS expands and at what point it expands again after 2020.

The sky is the limit in a country like the US.

With how large our country is, and with how little support the country currently gives the sport.. we all have seen how far the sport has come in a relatively short amount of time, it will only continue to grow as the 'it's cool to hate soccer' culture begins to disappear. It will expand as more soccer is shown on TV (see NBC Sports + EPL this upcoming season). It will expand even more once MLS is shown on cable, rather than a specific MLS package. It will expand as the MLS continues to have more quality players as well as youth prospects coming through which will naturally come as more youth watch the sport on their tv's.

Without a tiered system like most countries, what happens in 2030 (just to pick a year) when cities like Charlotte demand an MLS team? I'd imagine at some point there will be 2 divisions of 15-20 + teams.
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Post #12
Thursday August 1, 2013 8:37pm

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Original post from 2tone

...but because I think these cities will happen:

Orlando, Miami, Minnesota, San Antonio

All hail the city of Minnesota...btw, what state is it in again? Just Kidding

Looking at the map, the southern states are not well represented, and neither is the northern midwest (Wisconsin and Minnesota). Without taking ownership into account, I think Orlando, Raleigh/Durham, Birmingham, and Minnesota would give the league a nice geographic balance. I would have said Miami except MLS has already failed there once.

Post #13
Thursday August 1, 2013 8:42pm

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So by 2020 if they play one away, one home game with every team, that would be 46 games.. It will be interesting how the schedule would be, plus trow in open cup, champs league, international friendlies.. Also i doubt canada gets a team.. I think there has to be at least 2 teams in the southeast.. Mia, orl, carolinas, atl, bama, good options.. Others minn, okc, sac, san ant,onio, st louis good options.

Post #14
Thursday August 1, 2013 8:48pm

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Just food for thought, that would be kool, how about 1 team in a place with no sports or much to do. For example, billings Montana ? Idaho ? Wisconsin ? South dakota ? Alaska( no fields) ? Kentucky ? Nebraska ? NM ?..

Charleston, South Carolina
Post #15
Thursday August 1, 2013 9:12pm

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For the sake of actually being able to be close to a team and support it, I'd like Charlotte to get a team. The Carolinas have some good competitive soccer as well. I'd love to see that talent translate into the pros with a team that I could feasibly travel and see

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