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rjw77
Post #31
Friday August 2, 2013 10:39pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 264
Group of death would not be fun because I feel like not advancing from the group stage is such a disappointment with a tournament that comes around every 4 years.

MSantoine
Post #32
Friday August 16, 2013 1:17pm

Joined Nov 2012
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With the win vs Bosnia, if we win both sept qualies we will be up to 11th place in the FIFA standings pending other countries results (teams like England, Russia, Portugal, Croatia, most of Europe can gain more points with wins then we can). If that were to happen it would actually make October interesting. Discuss chasing a seed vs playing some younger fringe players. Hopefully we get there so we can discuss it

kernn63
Post #33
Friday August 16, 2013 1:31pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 78
Original post from MSantoine

With the win vs Bosnia, if we win both sept qualies we will be up to 11th place in the FIFA standings pending other countries results (teams like England, Russia, Portugal, Croatia, most of Europe can gain more points with wins then we can). If that were to happen it would actually make October interesting. Discuss chasing a seed vs playing some younger fringe players. Hopefully we get there so we can discuss it


If you have a chance of being seeded, you absolutely go for it.....

significantly increases odds of advancement. Avoid another one of the world's big players and Better chance to get first in a group which gives you a better round of 16 draw.

It's a no brainer if you're close.

MSantoine
Post #34
Tuesday September 17, 2013 2:05am

Joined Nov 2012
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Phil Schoen (from BeIN sports) is reporting that its being discussed at FIFA that if you didnt qualify for 2010 world cup you cant be seeded. If thats true Colombia and Belgium cant be seeded. Would mean that win these two games and we are almost guarenteed a top 8 FIFA ranking going into october.

nolefansandy
Post #35
Tuesday September 17, 2013 2:35am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 278
im not exactly sure how FIFA seeding works but we also should root for Switzerland to lose. Switzerland wins both qualifiers and they jump the USA

dunlopp9987
Post #36
Tuesday September 17, 2013 3:31am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 955
Are they allowed to make decisions like that on a whim?

Wait, who am I kidding. It's FIFA.
COYB!!
Red
NY
Post #37
Tuesday September 17, 2013 4:16am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 417
Lets hope Croatia, Portugal and Greece all fail to qualify. I've got a feeling at least 1 of them won't make it through.

Red
NY
Post #38
Tuesday September 17, 2013 4:24am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 417
The October FIFA rankings determine who is in pot 1 or 2. Pot 1 gets the highest 4 seeds which, at the moment, would be

Croatia(10)
Portugal(11)
Greece(12)
Sweden(22)

The next 4 and possible opponents of the above would be

France(25)
Ukraine(26)
Hungary(30)
Iceland(54)
with Bulgaria just missing the playoff.

I'd hope France stays as low and ends up knocking out Greece or Portugal.
According to my research Croatia did not qualify for the 2010 WC and could not be seeded(my mistake above.)

Dylema
Seattle, WA
Post #39
Tuesday September 17, 2013 5:28am

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 7
If FIFA ends up not allowing teams who weren't in the last WC to be seeds I really like our chances of getting into Pot 1 when the draw happens. If we take care of business in the next two qualifiers we will be awfully close.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #40
Tuesday September 17, 2013 7:46am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 275
Original post from MSantoine

Phil Schoen (from BeIN sports) is reporting that its being discussed at FIFA that if you didnt qualify for 2010 world cup you cant be seeded. If thats true Colombia and Belgium cant be seeded. Would mean that win these two games and we are almost guarenteed a top 8 FIFA ranking going into october.


Any idea when they will make a decision on this?

Dylema
Seattle, WA
Post #41
Tuesday September 17, 2013 8:18am

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 7
Original post from Kamphgruppe

Any idea when they will make a decision on this?


Probably late November or early December. However the 06 WC involved you're last 2 WC results and the end of your rankings for the last 3 years. So who knows with FIFA we could get some system like this again.

MSantoine
Post #42
Tuesday September 17, 2013 11:43am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,020
Original post from Dylema

Probably late November or early December. However the 06 WC involved you're last 2 WC results and the end of your rankings for the last 3 years. So who knows with FIFA we could get some system like this again.


Exactly- In 2002 and 2006 it was based on nations historical world cup performance as well as current form, aka pick the 7 popular countries.

2010 they made it strictly top 7 plus host. However one could argue that they said this after knowing how those top 7 would be. Brazil, Spain, Netherlands, Argentina, Italy, Germany, England. It fits the previous criteria to a T (you could swap France for a couple teams but hard to argue). It also still left them with 8 unseeded UEFA teams ( a seeming must as well).

Im sure FIFA will wait until after the october qualies and see who is definitely in from Europe, then come up with a method that includes 5 Euro teams, Brazil, and 2 others. 1 of those is a lock to be Argentina. So in my opinion its coming down to us, Colombia, and Uruguay. If Uruguay stays ahead of us and qualifies they'll probably get it and FIFA can claim that you had to qualify last WC to help out England and/or France over belgium and Colombia. It definitely will be interesting to see what the most corrupt organization in sports decides

rainORshine
Post #43
Tuesday September 17, 2013 12:49pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,770
if you eliminate teams that did not qualify for 2010, you are basically left with only 7 obvious choices:

- brazil, argentina, uruguay
- spain, germany, italy, netherlands

after that, i really dont know who FIFA would "want". i dont really think it would be a big deal if a 9th UEFA team slipped into an another pot - they would just make sure that that team went to a group that does not have a seeded UEFA team.

ultimately i am guessing it will be either columbia or belgium - i just think they will be judged to be more deserving than reaching down for a team that qualified in 2010. that said, if they do do that, looks like it would come down to:
- portugal, greece, US, swiss, russia, chile

would also guess that they do not select a UEFA team that does not win their group (portugal and greece currently in 2nd)

definitely incentive to win out - you never know,,,

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #44
Tuesday September 17, 2013 2:46pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,102
wow, that's better news than i expected...now at least it's not a huge leap logically on how we could be seeded...if we win out it's basically in FIFA's hands, and if they're serious about growing the game then they'll know that Americans are never more invested in soccer than when the USMNT is doing well...and if the last WC we hosted was a huge leap in support, wait til we make it to a QF or SF and THEN host (2026 baby!!), then we'll have another huge leap in support.

Know Nothing
Post #45
Tuesday September 17, 2013 4:17pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 324
Pure and simple, FIFA will seed the teams that best fit the established powers and Pot management.

Phil Schoen's news makes sense, but not to our benefit. By making participation in the 2010 WC as criteria for being seeded, they all but assure that there will be 3 CONMEBOL and 5 UEFA teams seeded, ensuring Uruguay and the Netherlands as seeds. That leaves all the teams in Pot B as UEFA teams, the 5 CAF and 3 remaining CONMEBOL teams in Pot C with Pot D containing the CONCACAF, Asian, and maybe Oceania teams.

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