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hamsamwich
Post #736
Saturday May 17, 2014 1:24pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 534
And oh yea, as camp starts, I'd like to see Edu, Gonzalez, Davis, AJ, Green, Brooks, Parklhurst as the cuts. Unless injuries change something.

dolcem
Post #737
Saturday May 17, 2014 1:34pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
The line-up picking at these forums seriously needs to stop. A lot of people are new to the sport and US soccer culture is still very underdeveloped. Many of us have only been watching for a few years and were introduced to the sport by chance rather than by knowledgeable people (fathers, uncles, etc. who have been watching their whole lives). Many of us know very few dedicated soccer fans. So maybe we're less aware of how it works in the soccer world, but we need to realize that our FIFA line-ups don't matter. This isn't fantasy football.

Most of us have only seen between one to three managers in charge of the USNT. And more importantly, until very recently, the US was so lacking in soccer players the starting XI and final 23 were pretty much a given.

The reality is that the better soccer cultures (a group we now fit in to) produce a lot of quality players, and selecting players for the national team is not an exact science. A manager must pick players that he believes will fit his system, and many of the manager's decisions will seem questionable to the public. Of course, every fan has his own opinion and a line-up he always uses in FIFA, but since he's not coaching the team, he knows it's nothing more than happy hour conversation.

Any manager makes plenty of 'picks' that don't make sense to anyone and snubs seemingly deserving players: del Bosque, Loew, etc. Sabella just left out Tevez, sparking protests across Argentina. The fans of these nations still support them and evaluate them entirely on the job they are doing, not whether the line-up is the same one they use in FIFA. Sabella's omission of Tevez was as extreme as possible and public opinion of him is still very high.

These managers are evaluated the same way managers are evaluated elsewhere: by the team's results and its quality of play.

We have improved in both categories under JK.

Yeah he isn't a world class manager but find one who would consider us. And one with the connections to the US and familiarity with our system. Not to mention the loyalty...we were his first choice before re-signing with the German NT and Bayern Munich.
NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHAT LINEUP YOU USE IN FIFA
tjknowsall
Post #738
Saturday May 17, 2014 3:33pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 287
I get what your saying but predicting the roster is what 1/2 of this forum is all about. I consider myself a knowledgeable soccer fan. Its been my whole life and I study and play the game.. I mean all fans in all sports don't agree with coaching decescions its part of being a fan

blaise213
San Francisco CA
Post #739
Saturday May 17, 2014 4:59pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,351
I still have my newspaper clipping when US beat mexico in the 2002 World Cup.

I'm actually more involved in the business side of soccer than the fan side (excluding US Soccer).

Live490
Texas
Post #740
Saturday May 17, 2014 7:00pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 289
Happiest moment ever^^ (soccer wise!) I still rub it in my Mexican friends' faces!! Donovan's words to the Mexican fans, "donde esta México?!" I was never fast so I couldn't say I was Donovan when I played, I had to say Reyna till Dempsey popped on the scene.. Now I'm Holden cause I haven't played cause acl/meniscus tears since 2011.. Then, to almost beat Germany.. Kahn was scared!! The whole team was.. Stupid refs!!!

skangles
DC
Post #741
Saturday May 17, 2014 7:44pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,975
Original post from blaise213
I'm actually more involved in the business side of soccer than the fan side (excluding US Soccer).


Do you work for a team or you just like assessing the financial prospects of teams?

I like where the business side meets the fan side. I really like the NBA whereby having a quality GM can make or break the success of the team. There are plenty of very talented NBA players on stupid contacts that prevent their team from adding additional pieces necessary to make a run. Don't get me wrong, a good GM is important in every sport but I really enjoy looking at NBA contracts that GMs hand out to see whether I view the contract as an asset or a liability.

I don't like a lot of MLS single entity policies like the Re-Entry draft and and allocation order of returning national team players. I do however like the DP and home grown player concepts.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #742
Saturday May 17, 2014 10:41pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,052
Man the xenophobia is running rampant in the US soccer press circles.

Look I have no problem with someone expressing their opinions about the 30 man roster, but a lot of those opinions in the US soccer press circles are pretty xenophobic.

skangles
DC
Post #743
Saturday May 17, 2014 10:48pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,975
Original post from 2tone

Man the xenophobia is running rampant in the US soccer press circles.

Look I have no problem with someone expressing their opinions about the 30 man roster, but a lot of those opinions in the US soccer press circles are pretty xenophobic.


Who are you referring to? Most of the dual nationals have been around for a while, anyone covering the MNT should have had ample time to get used to the idea. Green is really the only fresh face.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #744
Saturday May 17, 2014 11:38pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,052
Original post from skangles

Who are you referring to? Most of the dual nationals have been around for a while, anyone covering the MNT should have had ample time to get used to the idea. Green is really the only fresh face.


Lalas, Twellman, MLS reporters, Shep Messing. I feel bad for them.

Chrisou101
Post #745
Sunday May 18, 2014 5:42pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 564
Aj and AZ alkmaar missed out on going to Europe. Im really not sure if hiring Advocaat was an upgrade over Verbeek in the first place. Anyways, Aj's season is done, now he can join the guys in camp. If he has good world cup I can see him moving up to a better club. Though i prefer him stay another year in the Dutch league.

TheTruth
Post #746
Monday May 19, 2014 5:41am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 251
Original post from dolcem

The line-up picking at these forums seriously needs to stop. A lot of people are new to the sport and US soccer culture is still very underdeveloped. Many of us have only been watching for a few years and were introduced to the sport by chance rather than by knowledgeable people (fathers, uncles, etc. who have been watching their whole lives). Many of us know very few dedicated soccer fans. So maybe we're less aware of how it works in the soccer world, but we need to realize that our FIFA line-ups don't matter. This isn't fantasy football.

Most of us have only seen between one to three managers in charge of the USNT. And more importantly, until very recently, the US was so lacking in soccer players the starting XI and final 23 were pretty much a given.

The reality is that the better soccer cultures (a group we now fit in to) produce a lot of quality players, and selecting players for the national team is not an exact science. A manager must pick players that he believes will fit his system, and many of the manager's decisions will seem questionable to the public. Of course, every fan has his own opinion and a line-up he always uses in FIFA, but since he's not coaching the team, he knows it's nothing more than happy hour conversation.

Any manager makes plenty of 'picks' that don't make sense to anyone and snubs seemingly deserving players: del Bosque, Loew, etc. Sabella just left out Tevez, sparking protests across Argentina. The fans of these nations still support them and evaluate them entirely on the job they are doing, not whether the line-up is the same one they use in FIFA. Sabella's omission of Tevez was as extreme as possible and public opinion of him is still very high.

These managers are evaluated the same way managers are evaluated elsewhere: by the team's results and its quality of play.

We have improved in both categories under JK.

Yeah he isn't a world class manager but find one who would consider us. And one with the connections to the US and familiarity with our system. Not to mention the loyalty...we were his first choice before re-signing with the German NT and Bayern Munich.


Speak for yourself. So, you admit to not know much about the sport and yet you continue to drone on with ignorant 1,000 word posts.

dolcem
Post #747
Monday May 19, 2014 6:51am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
Original post from tjknowsall

I get what your saying but predicting the roster is what 1/2 of this forum is all about. I consider myself a knowledgeable soccer fan. Its been my whole life and I study and play the game.. I mean all fans in all sports don't agree with coaching decescions its part of being a fan


That's exactly the problem...sure it's fun to predict what the line-up will be or talk about what you would do if you were the manager, but people here do it way, way too much and they take their opinions so seriously. And it's like they think there is one correct line-up (theirs) and that being a manager is simply picking that line-up. When he doesn't, they think it's proof that he's incompetent.

I've never seen anything like this in the soccer world...just from a lot of the posters here. People need to be aware that it's not normal. We're really isolated in the US (not a lot of contact with foreigners, at least to the extent that Europeans have, and our soccer fans are spread out all over the country), so it's not our fault, but sometimes we need to pay attention to what other soccer fans do (or don't do) because they might have it figured out.

Original post from TheTruth

Speak for yourself. So, you admit to not know much about the sport and yet you continue to drone on with ignorant 1,000 word posts.


I'd say I know a decent amount, at least enough to know that my ideal starting eleven isn't "right" or that it actually matters, and I know enough to be able to talk about something else related to the national team...I guess you think you have all the answers though. Why don't you try applying for the head coaching job this summer?

This year I've actually rarely posted and haven't made any long posts, either. Sorry if it's a struggle for you to read more than a few sentences.
NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHAT LINEUP YOU USE IN FIFA
dunlopp9987
Post #748
Monday May 19, 2014 7:59am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,243
Original post from dolcem

That's exactly the problem...sure it's fun to predict what the line-up will be or talk about what you would do if you were the manager, but people here do it way, way too much and they take their opinions so seriously. And it's like they think there is one correct line-up (theirs) and that being a manager is simply picking that line-up. When he doesn't, they think it's proof that he's incompetent.

I've never seen anything like this in the soccer world...just from a lot of the posters here. People need to be aware that it's not normal. We're really isolated in the US (not a lot of contact with foreigners, at least to the extent that Europeans have, and our soccer fans are spread out all over the country), so it's not our fault, but sometimes we need to pay attention to what other soccer fans do (or don't do) because they might have it figured out.

I'd say I know a decent amount, at least enough to know that my ideal starting eleven isn't "right" or that it actually matters, and I know enough to be able to talk about something else related to the national team...I guess you think you have all the answers though. Why don't you try applying for the head coaching job this summer?

This year I've actually rarely posted and haven't made any long posts, either. Sorry if it's a struggle for you to read more than a few sentences.


He would have to beat out Rain for the job, since we all know Rain could do a much better job than Jurgen could.
COYB!!
snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #749
Monday May 19, 2014 3:08pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 276
I agree with dolcem on not bashing a manager because he picked a worse player or not the guy we wanted. But he's right. It's his system Jurgen has to fit guys into. You don't build a successful team by picking the best 23 players. Which is why once that starting 11 is released vs Ghana, there's going to be some surprises (Donovan not starting IMO).

I do disagree about us picking our starting 11. That's the fun of the forums. We'll see who's right in a month.
If you don't love it, leave it, USA #1
MSantoine
Post #750
Monday May 19, 2014 3:44pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,190
Original post from dolcem

I've never seen anything like this in the soccer world...just from a lot of the posters here. People need to be aware that it's not normal. We're really isolated in the US (not a lot of contact with foreigners, at least to the extent that Europeans have, and our soccer fans are spread out all over the country), so it's not our fault, but sometimes we need to pay attention to what other soccer fans do (or don't do) because they might have it figured out.


I have to disagree with this. And actually I think its worse in Europe. The only difference what people consider as foreigners. French people don't really consider Germans or Swiss or Dutch people foreigners and vice versa. However most of Europe is much worse than most americans when it comes to africans, asisans, or americans. Americans are much mroe accepting of foreigners than those that are foreigners to euros.

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