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MSantoine
Post #346
Monday March 31, 2014 3:15am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Didn't feel like starting a new thread, but the USMNT coaching staff just got a shake up.

http://www.ussoccer.com/news/mens-national-te...

Well, I got my wish and Vasquez is out, or at least he's been moved to another area within US Soccer.

Bernie Vogts and Tab Ramos have been added the USMNT staff full time now.

I like all moves, a lot actually.


Huge news. I also love the news. May not be much different this week but I bet the May precup friendliest will be noticeable different

Jzaval01
Post #347
Monday March 31, 2014 3:22am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,678
What does this all mean though? Jurgen makes last call regardless. Strategy maybe? Then again why would we change tactical stuff months before WC?

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #348
Monday March 31, 2014 4:37am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,231
Herzog as the #1.

Ramos as the #2.

Vogts as just an advisor. Vogts is still the manager of the Azerbaijan team.

Vasquez is headed to the U-21 team to be the coach.

chillguy1992
Post #349
Monday March 31, 2014 8:15am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 475
Original post from Jzaval01

What does this all mean though? Jurgen makes last call regardless. Strategy maybe? Then again why would we change tactical stuff months before WC?


Reportedly Klinsmann was very impressed by Ramos in meetings with him and how he did with the u-20 team. Also Klinsmann might believe that Herzog and Ramos might be more up to the task for the world cup. It is an interesting move but it tells me klinsmann doesnt think vazquez is up to the task anymore. I am not sure if it will change anything tactically but mabye klinsmann is looking to expirement with a 4-3-3 since ramos used that formation in the u-20 world cup. Could also be a sign that klinsi switches to a 4-3-3 after the world cup.

Rey Regicide
Post #350
Monday March 31, 2014 1:28pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 315
Original post from chillguy1992

Reportedly Klinsmann was very impressed by Ramos in meetings with him and how he did with the u-20 team. Also Klinsmann might believe that Herzog and Ramos might be more up to the task for the world cup. It is an interesting move but it tells me klinsmann doesnt think vazquez is up to the task anymore. I am not sure if it will change anything tactically but mabye klinsmann is looking to expirement with a 4-3-3 since ramos used that formation in the u-20 world cup. Could also be a sign that klinsi switches to a 4-3-3 after the world cup.


did'n't we play a 4 2 3 1 in the US under 20, wiht Trapp and Lopez being our base 2? Our three underneath moises hernandez was joya villarreal and garcia

Rey Regicide
Post #351
Monday March 31, 2014 1:30pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 315
Original post from chillguy1992

Reportedly Klinsmann was very impressed by Ramos in meetings with him and how he did with the u-20 team. Also Klinsmann might believe that Herzog and Ramos might be more up to the task for the world cup. It is an interesting move but it tells me klinsmann doesnt think vazquez is up to the task anymore. I am not sure if it will change anything tactically but mabye klinsmann is looking to expirement with a 4-3-3 since ramos used that formation in the u-20 world cup. Could also be a sign that klinsi switches to a 4-3-3 after the world cup.


ALL THE SAME, if this is INDEED the case... which is a good probablility that it is, Ramos's base CDM was Wil TRapp =D ROFL. I know I know, I heard and respect the opinnons that the kid isn't ready and that he will need time.. but at the very least, that far fetched reality would mean a progression to that type of setup in the future.. it COULD mean.. and one that BRadley should excel in, so long as Jones is his mirror mid, not the CDM. Kinda like Roma.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #352
Monday March 31, 2014 2:49pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 960
Original post from Jzaval01

What does this all mean though? Jurgen makes last call regardless. Strategy maybe? Then again why would we change tactical stuff months before WC?


I'm sure he makes the last call, but I think he relies heavily on his staff for tactical and personnel decisions.

Rey Regicide
Post #353
Monday March 31, 2014 3:14pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 315
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

I'm sure he makes the last call, but I think he relies heavily on his staff for tactical and personnel decisions.


fingers crossed!!

TBGH
Post #354
Tuesday April 1, 2014 3:23pm

Joined Apr 2014
Total Posts: 7
Long time lurker here, finally made an account because I think we're looking at the roster wrong. With a few exceptions, Klinnsman isn't looking for straight backups at each position, he wants tactical flexibility and we need to consider it won't be the same starting 11 for each match and might not even be the same formation.

In our usual formation the roles he needs are as follows: Target striker, Underneath attacker, 2-way outside mids, Box-to-box CM, DM, LB, RB, CBs, and GK.

Then he wants some additional roles as subs: Attacking wingers, 2nd forward (for 4-4-2), Set-piece specialist (in the box, not on the ball)

That's not to say that we won't start a guy like Donovan who's really an attacking winger, but mostly he goes with 2-way outside mids like Zusi and F. Johnson and I can't think of a match where he started two people I consider attacking wingers.

Looking at the roster by role, we have:

Target striker: Altidore, E. Johnson, ???

Underneath attacker: Dempsey, Donovan, Diskeruud, Johannsson, Agudelo, Bedoya, Green

2-way outside mids: Zusi, F. Johnson, Bedoya, ???

Box-to-box CM: Bradley, Diskeruud, Klejstan, Edu, ???

DM: Jones, Beckerman, Edu, ???

LB: F. Johnson, Beasley, Castillo, Lots of converted CBs and RBs

RB: Evans (ugh but he's in), Cameron, Chandler, Lots of converted CBs

CB: Gonzalez, Besler, Goodson, Cameron, Onyewu, Brooks, ???

GK: Duh

Attacking winger: Donovan, Johannsson, Green/Shea, E. Johnson (ugh)

2nd forward (4-4-2): Johannson, H. Gomez, Wondo, Agudelo, Boyd, ???

Set piece specialist: E. Johnson, Onyewu, ???

Basically, I think we're overrating guys' chances like Herc that really fill roles we seldom use. We're also overlooking the fact that while we don't want Eddie playing extended minutes, he fills roles on this team that no one else does. Who else can we send in for 90th minute corner in a tied game or 1-goal deficit? Who is going to provide hold up play if Altidore is unavailable or gassed in our usual 4-2-3-1?

My roster: 3 FD: Altidore, E. Johnson, Johannson
10 MF: Donovan, Dempsey, Zusi, F. Johnson, Bedoya, Bradley, Jones, Beckerman, Diskeruud/Klejstan/Edu, Green/Shea
7 DF: Beasley, Gonzalez, Besler, Cameron, Goodson, Evans, Parkhurst/Chandler/Onyewu
3 GK: Duh

This allows us to go at least two deep on all the major roles and provides the flexibility to adjust our play based on the opponent and situation.

Lilshmike
Post #355
Tuesday April 1, 2014 4:30pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 511
@TBGH

Totally agree with most of it. Its pretty spot on. I think all the guys you have mentioned as locks are locks except Beckerman. I just have a hard time thinking about having 10 MFs and 7 DFs tho. Heres how I see:

4 Fwds: Dempsey, Jozy, Johannsson, ???
8 Mids: Johnson, Jones, Bradley, Bedoya, Zusi, Donovan, ???, ???
8 Defs: Beasley, Besler, Gonzalez, Goodson, Cameron, Evans, ???, ???
3 GKs: Yea

Idk, maybe its me, but I just feel that an even split (4,8,8,3) among the positions will be used because its traditional.

Heres how I break it down, with 3 deep on outside back and 4 deep everywhere else:

FW
Dempsey
Jozy
AJ
???

RM
Donovan
Zusi
Bedoya
Dempsey

LM
F.Johnson
Donovan
Bedoya/Dempsey
???

CAM/2nd FW
Dempsey
Donovan
Johannsson
Zusi/Bedoya

CDM
Jones
Bradley
Cameron
???

RB
Cameron
Evans
???

LB
Beasley
Johnson
???

CB (I think we bring 4 in addition and count Cameron as a RB)
Besler
Gonzalez
Goodson
(Cameron would realistically be here)
???

All of this allows flexibility, we will only need to figure out where to fill the gaps. We will need:
1 FW
1 CDM
1 LM
1 LB
1 RB
1 CB

1 FW - I think EJ has the best shot. He can play FW and LW, so he fills two gaps. But Wondolowski, Boyd, Agudelo, Gomez may be in the running, but are on the outside looking in.

1 CDM - Either Beckerman/Diskerud (with Edu, Kljestan, and possibly Williams on the outside looking in). I think it will be one or the other, although it wouldn't be surprising to see both go. I think the advantage right now goes to Beckerman, but Diskerud makes a pretty strong case for himself.

1 LM - Either Shea/Davis (with Green on the outside looking in). There is a possibility that EJ gets that spot too, to allow for another FW. But whoever this guy will be will be used as a sub. Davis won't be around next WC, but Shea will, so I think he has the advantage. However, if Davis (or possibly Green) does well against Mexico that could all change.

1 LB & 1 RB - We have 3 spots to fill in the back, but only 2 openings. For flexibility purposes, we should have a guy that is the 3rd option at both LB and RB. My guess is Parkhurst. Castillo may also make the cut, which would not surprise me, but his inclusion would depend on who the last CB would be.

1 CB - Either Brooks, Orozco-Fiscal, or Onyewu. I think that Brooks has the advantage right now, but Orozco-Fiscal can play outside back (which would also add flexibility and may allow for Castillo) and Onyewu has WC experience, so these guys have a realistic chance.

Either way, I would not be surprised to see either of these rosters in there. Just depends on who is healthy and in form over the next 2 months really. No matter the situation tho, I think that there are only about 4/5 spots that are actually up for grabs.

80% of the roster is pretty much filled up.

navi8132
Post #356
Tuesday April 1, 2014 4:37pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,050
Tab Ramos essentially treated the U-20 WC as a vegas gambling ground to just go full force attacking highline. Let's hope that kind of recklessness will not influence Jurgen's strategy in WC. What we have been doing already is essentially as good as it gets.

MSantoine
Post #357
Tuesday April 1, 2014 5:07pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,231
Original post from TBGH

Basically, I think we're overrating guys' chances like Herc that really fill roles we seldom use. We're also overlooking the fact that while we don't want Eddie playing extended minutes, he fills roles on this team that no one else does. Who else can we send in for 90th minute corner in a tied game or 1-goal deficit?


I hate when people say things like this. You realize how substitutions in soccer works right? You cant win a corner, call timeout, then make a sub. Id rather bring in someone who has a chance to score in open play in the last 10 minutes then a guy who is there on the off chance we win a corner, then the off chance he gets open, and the corner is well placed. You cant save a sub to bring in for a 90th minute corner. Its not a realistic possibility. Id rather bring in Landon, AJ, or Green in the 75th minute and let them do their thing in 15 minutes then wait until the 85th minute, bring in EJ, and pray we win a corner (also EJ isnt some historically good scorer off of corners like Klose or McBride)

Lilshmike
Post #358
Tuesday April 1, 2014 5:35pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 511
Original post from MSantoine

I hate when people say things like this. You realize how substitutions in soccer works right? You cant win a corner, call timeout, then make a sub. Id rather bring in someone who has a chance to score in open play in the last 10 minutes then a guy who is there on the off chance we win a corner, then the off chance he gets open, and the corner is well placed. You cant save a sub to bring in for a 90th minute corner. Its not a realistic possibility. Id rather bring in Landon, AJ, or Green in the 75th minute and let them do their thing in 15 minutes then wait until the 85th minute, bring in EJ, and pray we win a corner (also EJ isnt some historically good scorer off of corners like Klose or McBride)


Alright, honestly, you understood exactly what the guy was talking about with EJ. Not literally the 90th minute, but the dying minutes of the game. There is no need to nit pick it. But, since that seems to be the case...

- You won't need to worry about bringing Landon on as a sub. He won't be on the bench, he will be starting.

- Enough with the Green talk. He has not played yet, he has virtually no first team experience with his club, and to think that he is going to be in Brazil when we haven't even seen him play yet is ridiculous. I AM NOT saying that he will not be there or is not good enough. I AM saying that we have no idea what the kid brings, and its foolish to include him when he has yet to even play. We will find out tomorrow tho, and then MAYBE he could be brought up realistically as an option if he does well.

- As long as you haven't used all of your subs, any substitution at any time is a realistic possibility. ESPECIALLY if you are losing or need a goal in the 90th minute and there is enough stoppage time to allow for a sub to be made. ESPECIALLY when the game is important and its do or die, a scenario that is EXTREMELY possible at the WC. Just saying.

- Not only is EJ good in the air, he is also strong and he is very fast. You want someone on in to do their thing in the last 15 minutes of the game, right? That is a point in time when players are going to be tired, their legs will be heavy, and their bodies will be exhausted. What better time to put in a guy with fresh legs that can outrun defenders, or at the very least, push defenders around/body up on them? That is what you need if you want to score a goal. That would create space not only for that player, but for the other players around him. That is what opens up the field and creates chances. That is what EJ can provide as a sub in that situation.

...I'm really not trying to be that guy, but do you realize how substitutions work in soccer?

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #359
Tuesday April 1, 2014 5:51pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,231
Yeah I still think EJ has the inside track on the last striker position. Agudelo hasn't done enough in Holland, Klinsmann seems to like EJ more than Boyd right now, and Wondo just isn't as dangerous as EJ can be. I also think EJ gets the start tomorrow night.

Three strikers for me: Jozy, AJ, EJ

rotosportsbook
Post #360
Tuesday April 1, 2014 6:18pm

Joined Aug 2013
Total Posts: 25
Original post from Lilshmike

- Enough with the Green talk. He has not played yet, he has virtually no first team experience with his club, and to think that he is going to be in Brazil when we haven't even seen him play yet is ridiculous. I AM NOT saying that he will not be there or is not good enough. I AM saying that we have no idea what the kid brings, and its foolish to include him when he has yet to even play. We will find out tomorrow tho, and then MAYBE he could be brought up realistically as an option if he does well.



Who made the rule that we need to wait until a player plays for the national team to consider him for the WC? This process of converting him to an American citizen wasn't done so hastily so that he can enjoy his first 4th of July as an American citizen, it was done so that he can play in Brazil. He absolutely belongs in the discussion. It would be foolish to say he is good at x, y, and z, but it is not foolish to mention him in the WC plans. In fact I think it would be foolish not to, I fully expect him to make the team over EJ.

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