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jtsccr12
Post #16
Tuesday July 30, 2013 5:20pm

Joined May 2013
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Thank you for the comments! I have to admit it was tough to leave out Shea and Torres in my 23... and I think that the choice of these two vs Corona and Bedoya comes down to club form and the WC group draw. If we continue with our current style, we don't need anyone that plays wide left with a left foot. If we do, I think Beasley could step into that wide role or push FJ up. For now, Bedoya and Corona provide a great deal of positional and tactical coverage for JK, and the other two are limited in the roles they can play. I also rank Bedoya over Corona due to the fact he can play as a true winger, a cut inside winger, and a central attacking role. I would put Shea in the 23 before I would bring in Torres.

MSantoine
Post #17
Tuesday July 30, 2013 6:11pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,121
Original post from jtsccr12

Thank you for the comments! I have to admit it was tough to leave out Shea and Torres in my 23... and I think that the choice of these two vs Corona and Bedoya comes down to club form and the WC group draw. If we continue with our current style, we don't need anyone that plays wide left with a left foot. If we do, I think Beasley could step into that wide role or push FJ up. For now, Bedoya and Corona provide a great deal of positional and tactical coverage for JK, and the other two are limited in the roles they can play. I also rank Bedoya over Corona due to the fact he can play as a true winger, a cut inside winger, and a central attacking role. I would put Shea in the 23 before I would bring in Torres.


I think this situation will easily play itself out this coming year. If Shea plays for Stoke City and Bedoya plays for FC Twente (his rumored Eredivise destination) then they are in and Torres and Corona out. If they dont get minutes Corona and Torres step in. Shea and Bedoya have mroe potential to play their way onto the team since they are playing in larger leagues against better competition

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #18
Tuesday July 30, 2013 6:55pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,121
No one seems to know that Shea has defensive chops as well. In his last season for FCD, he played the first handful of games as an LB and CB to cover for injuries and did really well. His prowess on the attacking side of the ball made it a temporary move. Those are def. not his best positions, but I don't think it would be fair to exclude him for lack of versatility.

@MSantione - agreed, club form is paramount. Being that those two teams mentioned will have more quality opposition than Liga MX, you're right in saying that if they get minutes they should be higher in the pecking order.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #19
Tuesday July 30, 2013 8:33pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 982
I'd like to see a formation like this (At least for a friendly to test the waters):

----Altidore------
---Johannsson----
Deuce--------LD
-----MB-JJ------
Johnson-Besler-Brooks?--Dolo/Chandler

Subs: DMB, Cam, EJ, Gonzalez, Dolo/Chandler, whoever else idc. Shea, Bedoya, and Zusi for me are interchangeable, as I see DMB being a better LW option than Shea (unless PT and consistency improve), and Bedoya and Zusi to me I don't see much difference, except that Zusi has cleary proven to produce at the international level, so I'd take him. If not that, then

--------Altidore--------
--Deuce--Donovan----Zusi
-------MB-----GC/JJ--------
Johnson-Besler--Brooks---Chandler/Dolo

I could take certain adjustments here and there. Like Donovan moving out wide, and being replaced. We have a lot of depth so I feel that either formation, especially the latter, will give us the most success, or at least the most options.

Know Nothing
Post #20
Tuesday July 30, 2013 8:37pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 352
I like most of the lists. But here is my two cents worth:

I think going forward though most are assuming that Rimando is a lock to go. Yes, he deserves the opportunity to go, but historically our third choice keeper has been a younger keeper so I would expect Johnson to be the third choice keeper.

Defense...I will reserve judgement on Brooks until he plays in a qualifier and is fully committed to the team. I do not believe Right Back is a lock for Chandler, even with Dolo's injury. Parkhurst was solid enough in the GC to keep his name in the reckoning and Yedlin has put himself on the radar as well with a good U20 WC showing.

Midfield looks set...Holden's injury pretty much cements Beckerman's inclusion IMO.

Attack...I am not sure Johansson is the lock everyone thinks he is, but he has a year to prove himself.

Lilshmike
Post #21
Tuesday July 30, 2013 9:01pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 504
I dont get why everyone keeps talking about John Anthony Brooks and Aron Johannsson.

Johannsson? You mean the kid that was the backup for the backup of our current starting forward (Jozy) at AZ? He needs to prove himself first at the club level first. He has barely played in a year. If he does well these next few months and gets called into a friendly/qualifier, then we should start talking about the kid. Not yet tho. He hasnt done anything.

Brooks? The kid who spent the last year playing in Germany's 2nd division? The kid who refused to play for the u20 USA team because he was "holding off" for his future? What future would that be? A German future? One without the USMNT? Yea...

Brooks got called into a friendly. Doesnt mean he will take part. Not only that, but the friendly doesnt cap tie him to the USMNT.

I remember a certain player by the name of Timmy Chandler who got off to a red hot start in Germany, played with the USMNT for a couple friendlies, heard whispers about a potential German national team call up, and then decided to "hold off" on playing with the USMNT because he was waiting to see if he would get a call to play for Germany.

Seeing as tho Germany has some aging defenders this cycle, 2018 looks very promising for Brooks... on the German national team. My guess, he is going to use his call up as a bartering chip to try and see if Germany will spark any interest before this world cup about the possibility of his usefulness in 2018.

Until Brooks plays in a qualifier, and he is permanently cap tied to the USMNT, he should not be taken into consideration. Also, he has yet to face top European competition. Who knows, he may not even be as good as a few of the guys that we have now.

Lilshmike
Post #22
Tuesday July 30, 2013 9:03pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 504
23 man roster

Howard
Guzan
Rimando

Chandler
Cherundolo
Cameron
Goodson
Gonzalez
Besler
F Johnson
Beasley
Castillo

Donovan
Bradley
Jones
Zusi
Mixx
Bedoya
Shea

Dempsey
Altidore
E Johnson
Gomez

Questionable fringe guys:

Edu - He is versatile. He can play in a lot of different positions. He is a big guy. People overlook him, but he is very good.

Evans or Parkhurst - Both have versatility and work hard. If there are injuries prior to the WC, one of these two could sneak in

Beckerman - I dont think he is good enough, but it would not surprise me if he somehow made the cut. We all know Klinsmann loves him...

Orozco-Fiscal or Onyewu - Either one could make it if there are injuries right before the world cup

Torres and Kljestan - Honestly do not see a need for either of them. Their positions are covered.

Boyd - Boyd is a toss up. He could make it, but he would be one of the last chosen.

Brooks and Johannsson - See previous post. If they are for real, they will be there. If not, whatever. We have them covered.

Lilshmike
Post #23
Tuesday July 30, 2013 9:16pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 504
In all reality, seeing what Klinsmann has done so far, our starting lineup should look like one of these two:

-- Altidore --
F.Johnson - Dempsey - Donovan
-- Jones -- Bradley --
Beasley - Besler - OPEN - Cherundolo/Chandler

or...

-- Altidore --
Donovan - Dempsey - Zusi
-- Jones -- Bradley --
Johnson - Besler - OPEN - Cherundolo/Chandler

- Cherundolo and Chandler are toss ups. Will all depend on how fit/in form each is come May. I would say Cherundolo gets the start.

- The OPEN spot on RCB is up for grabs. Either gonna be Cameron, Goodson, or Gonzalez. Besler has locked down his spot in LCB. He has played fantastic.

- I think that Donovan should reclaim his RM spot, and that Fabian Johnson plays LM. Johnson is our best LB, but he is also one of our best LMs too. Only person AT THE MOMENT that I see better than him on left is Donovan, who is a RM. Shea, EJ, Bedoya could all potentially play that spot too. Tricky, but in my opinion, Beasley is GOOD ENOUGH to play LB at the World Cup. We have some big CBs, so all we need is for him to cover the left side and slow down the attack to allow our guys more time to defend crosses into the 18. Beasley can handle that.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #24
Wednesday July 31, 2013 3:01am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 982
My list was assuming brooks commits and Johannsson lives up to the hype. I watched is 2012 goals and they were alright. He's very positionally aware so I'm all for that if he can have a solid season with AZ and prove himself for whatever games he plays with us. I included him because even if he isn't what we thought, he adds to striker depth and he can't be too far off EJs skill, aside from the aerial threat that EJ provides. Brooks is a great center back, but I concede he will need to prove himself. There is a year left so who the hell knows what the roster would be, but that would be my perfect scenario.

Side note: I think with the right club, Mix could be the real deal. He reminds me of a poor mans Felliani.

Bshredder
Post #25
Wednesday July 31, 2013 3:18am

Joined Aug 2011
Total Posts: 1,459
Original post from Lilshmike

I dont get why everyone keeps talking about John Anthony Brooks and Aron Johannsson.

Johannsson? You mean the kid that was the backup for the backup of our current starting forward (Jozy) at AZ? He needs to prove himself first at the club level first. He has barely played in a year. If he does well these next few months and gets called into a friendly/qualifier, then we should start talking about the kid. Not yet tho. He hasnt done anything.


AJ was getting over hernia surgery over the winter. This kid is good.

He is going to be the starter at AZ this year and Ernie Stewart is raving about him.

Red
NY
Post #26
Wednesday July 31, 2013 3:20am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 417
@Fraser31, I'm with you on Mix. That kid was great all tournament and has so much up side.

bbakerxyz
Post #27
Wednesday July 31, 2013 3:15pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 237
Original post from Lilshmike

I dont get why everyone keeps talking about John Anthony Brooks and Aron Johannsson.

Johannsson? You mean the kid that was the backup for the backup of our current starting forward (Jozy) at AZ? He needs to prove himself first at the club level first. He has barely played in a year. If he does well these next few months and gets called into a friendly/qualifier, then we should start talking about the kid. Not yet tho. He hasnt done anything.

Brooks? The kid who spent the last year playing in Germany's 2nd division? The kid who refused to play for the u20 USA team because he was "holding off" for his future? What future would that be? A German future? One without the USMNT? Yea...

Brooks got called into a friendly. Doesnt mean he will take part. Not only that, but the friendly doesnt cap tie him to the USMNT.

I remember a certain player by the name of Timmy Chandler who got off to a red hot start in Germany, played with the USMNT for a couple friendlies, heard whispers about a potential German national team call up, and then decided to "hold off" on playing with the USMNT because he was waiting to see if he would get a call to play for Germany.

Seeing as tho Germany has some aging defenders this cycle, 2018 looks very promising for Brooks... on the German national team. My guess, he is going to use his call up as a bartering chip to try and see if Germany will spark any interest before this world cup about the possibility of his usefulness in 2018.

Until Brooks plays in a qualifier, and he is permanently cap tied to the USMNT, he should not be taken into consideration. Also, he has yet to face top European competition. Who knows, he may not even be as good as a few of the guys that we have now.


Uh, everyone is talking about Brooks and Johannsson because that's the big news this week. I don't think anyone on these boards thinks they're a lock for Rio. Everyone is making the assumption (totally reasonable IMO) that they're interest is genuine and they'll impress enough in the next 12 months to make the team.

Lilshmike
Post #28
Wednesday July 31, 2013 4:14pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 504
Original post from bbakerxyz

Uh, everyone is talking about Brooks and Johannsson because that's the big news this week. I don't think anyone on these boards thinks they're a lock for Rio. Everyone is making the assumption (totally reasonable IMO) that they're interest is genuine and they'll impress enough in the next 12 months to make the team.


A lot of people think these guys are locks for Rio. I'm not sold on anything until both are locked/cap tied into the usmnt.

Lilshmike
Post #29
Wednesday July 31, 2013 4:25pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 504
Original post from Bshredder

AJ was getting over hernia surgery over the winter. This kid is good.

He is going to be the starter at AZ this year and Ernie Stewart is raving about him.


I know about his injury. But he still has yet to do anything. He came on the scene hot last year and has faded out since. Not doubting that the kid is good, all I am saying is that we need not count our chickens before they hatch.

He has yet to be a starter for AZ. If he gets in at least 2/3-3/4 of the games at AZ before January, then I think he will be a good guy to bring up in discussion. A potential backup for Jozy. But he still has to do something first. He has to prove he deserves to be in the USMNT, because as of now, he is not even a starter for his club.

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #30
Wednesday July 31, 2013 5:05pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 331
Original post from Lilshmike

I know about his injury. But he still has yet to do anything. He came on the scene hot last year and has faded out since. Not doubting that the kid is good, all I am saying is that we need not count our chickens before they hatch.

He has yet to be a starter for AZ. If he gets in at least 2/3-3/4 of the games at AZ before January, then I think he will be a good guy to bring up in discussion. A potential backup for Jozy. But he still has to do something first. He has to prove he deserves to be in the USMNT, because as of now, he is not even a starter for his club.


Are you mental? He "faded out" bc he was injured. But yeah, 3 goals in 5 caps (less than 160 mins), he's done nothing....
And I don't think anyone is saying he is going to come in and start over Jozy. But I think he could certainly start at winger after spending some solid time in camp.
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