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Post #196
Saturday January 18, 2014 10:32pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 4,822
Here is a possible 23:

GK: Guzan, Rimando, Howard

Defense: Dolo, Chandler, Cameron, Gonzo, Besler, Goodson, Beas

CM's: Bradley, Diskerud, Williams, Kljestan

Attackers: Lando, Deuce, Altidore, AJ, Agudelo, Shea, Fabian, Zusi, Bedoya

Yep no Jones. Dude could very well find himself off of the WC team if he doesn't find a team soon.

I Have a feeling Agudelo plays himself onto the team.

Cameron can triple as a RB, DM, and CB.

Fabian can double up as a Winger/LB.

Most of this entire roster is made up of players that can play multiple positions. Something I think can really be a strength going into the WC.

blaise213
San Francisco CA
Post #197
Saturday January 18, 2014 11:16pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,289
**If I had it my way like burger king **

My 23 man roster for 2014 World Cup

GK: Howard, Guzan, Rimando

Defense: Cameron, Chandler, Gonzo, Besler, Brooks, F Johnson, Toljan

Midfield: J. Green, Shea, Diskerud, Kljestan, Jones, Bradley, Donovan, S. Parker

Forwards: Johannsson, Boyd, Altidore, Dempsey

*** I would only bring 3 center backs because cameron can play RB and CB

My 23rd player would be: Holden, zusi, or EJ

MSantoine
Post #198
Sunday January 19, 2014 1:58pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,020
Original post from admsghs27

These are the most likely 23 to Brazil.

1. Tim Howard
2. Brad Guzan
3. Nick Rimando

4. Matt Besler
5. Omar Gonzalez
6. John Brooks
7. Geoff Cameron
8. DaMarcus Beasley
9. Brad Evans
10. Timmy Chandler
11. Steve Cherundolo

12. Michael Bradley
13. Jermaine Jones
14. Landon Donovan
15. Kyle Beckerman
16. Graham Zusi
17. Mix Diskerud
18. Alejandro Bedoya
19. Fabian Johnson

20. Jozy Altidore
21. Clint Dempsey
22. Eddie Johnson
23. Aron Johannsson

Looking in. Terrence Boyd, Clarence Goodson, Joe Corona, Edgar Castillo, Sacha Klesjtan.


There's a 0.0% chance Evans, dolo, chandler, and Cameron make it. Even if you think of Cameron as a strict cb they still aren't bringing. 3 other rbs

MSantoine
Post #199
Sunday January 19, 2014 2:22pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,020
I've been thinking the following for a couple weeks now and am wondering if anyone else thinks the same thing. Now I'm going off the assumption that jk is a good coach. If you don't think he is then don't bother replying to this. Guys like Evans, EJ, beckerman, Goodson have zero chance to go to brazil and here's why.

Jk was playing these kinds of guys over the more talented ones like chandler, brooks, Shea, Agudelo, etc to send a message. But guess what. There's no more time to send messages once the plane leaves for brazil. You HAVE to bring your best team otherwise you'll he crucified. If he goes to brazil with the mls guys instead of bundes liga starters and we go 0-3 he'll be killed. He knows this. He knew that USA would qualify anyways and maybe he thought the motivation/fear of missing out was more valuable than concacaf games and meaningless friendlys. He didn't want chandler to get complacent or for brooks to think he already made it. But when push comes to shove, again assuming he's a good coach, then he'll bring his best team possible.

TheTruth
Post #200
Sunday January 19, 2014 10:06pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 231
Agree w/ your general point, although I think it only really applies to Evans & Beckerman. Standard coaching stuff. Not remotely unconventional for a zen kinda dude like Klinsmann.

WC is once every 4 years - not the time to send a message. If you're a good enough player you have to be banging a teammate's wife to get excluded.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #201
Monday January 20, 2014 2:11pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 915
Original post from MSantoine

I've been thinking the following for a couple weeks now and am wondering if anyone else thinks the same thing. Now I'm going off the assumption that jk is a good coach. If you don't think he is then don't bother replying to this. Guys like Evans, EJ, beckerman, Goodson have zero chance to go to brazil and here's why.

Jk was playing these kinds of guys over the more talented ones like chandler, brooks, Shea, Agudelo, etc to send a message. But guess what. There's no more time to send messages once the plane leaves for brazil. You HAVE to bring your best team otherwise you'll he crucified. If he goes to brazil with the mls guys instead of bundes liga starters and we go 0-3 he'll be killed. He knows this. He knew that USA would qualify anyways and maybe he thought the motivation/fear of missing out was more valuable than concacaf games and meaningless friendlys. He didn't want chandler to get complacent or for brooks to think he already made it. But when push comes to shove, again assuming he's a good coach, then he'll bring his best team possible.


I dont think he's a good coach or a bad coach, so I hope you dont mind me replying. I think Klinsmann, in his outside-the-box way of thinking, likes the "underrated player." My belief is he thinks these players work harder than the talented guys and thats what can make a difference in a game. Think about it, from the start with Klinsmann, one of his greater concerns was how a player reacted after giving up the ball and not WHY he gave up the ball. If a player showed hustle and fight to get back on defense, that was enough for him. There is just so much wrong fundamentally with that idea. How do we know if a guy like Agudelo or Chandler wouldnt work there ass off to get the ball back if they arent giving up the ball in the first place.

I hope you're right though, that Klinsmann is just trying to send the "talented" guys a message, but I dont think its a message that needed to be sent.

ktbffhTXac
Post #202
Monday January 20, 2014 7:56pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 124
Original post from MSantoine

I've been thinking the following for a couple weeks now and am wondering if anyone else thinks the same thing. Now I'm going off the assumption that jk is a good coach. If you don't think he is then don't bother replying to this. Guys like Evans, EJ, beckerman, Goodson have zero chance to go to brazil and here's why.

Jk was playing these kinds of guys over the more talented ones like chandler, brooks, Shea, Agudelo, etc to send a message. But guess what. There's no more time to send messages once the plane leaves for brazil. You HAVE to bring your best team otherwise you'll he crucified. If he goes to brazil with the mls guys instead of bundes liga starters and we go 0-3 he'll be killed. He knows this. He knew that USA would qualify anyways and maybe he thought the motivation/fear of missing out was more valuable than concacaf games and meaningless friendlys. He didn't want chandler to get complacent or for brooks to think he already made it. But when push comes to shove, again assuming he's a good coach, then he'll bring his best team possible.


I can see some viability in that premise. However, it is important to keep in mind that Chandler was hurt/trying to regain form for most of the qualifiers, while Brooks was focused on getting back to form with his club team towards the end of 2013. From what I have heard, Chandler has been doing well with his club (even though Nurnberg as a whole isn't doing so well) and will surely be available when the preliminary rosters are due.

Evans was never more than a stop-gap. He played well against our CONCACAF opponents but he's just not good enough to include in the 23 at either RB or in the midfield, just too many players ahead of him that are better/fill a need (I honestly think that Beckerman would make it ahead of him).

One last thing, I think that Beasley will probably make the roster as LB simply because he possesses world class speed and has the experience in the World Cup to provide veteran leadership. He may not be the best defender, but there are very few players in the world that he will not be able to catch up to and nick the ball away if he's beaten off the dribble.

acahmed14
Post #203
Tuesday January 21, 2014 12:02am

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 33
Original post from MSantoine

I've been thinking the following for a couple weeks now and am wondering if anyone else thinks the same thing. Now I'm going off the assumption that jk is a good coach. If you don't think he is then don't bother replying to this. Guys like Evans, EJ, beckerman, Goodson have zero chance to go to brazil and here's why.

Jk was playing these kinds of guys over the more talented ones like chandler, brooks, Shea, Agudelo, etc to send a message. But guess what. There's no more time to send messages once the plane leaves for brazil. You HAVE to bring your best team otherwise you'll he crucified. If he goes to brazil with the mls guys instead of bundes liga starters and we go 0-3 he'll be killed. He knows this. He knew that USA would qualify anyways and maybe he thought the motivation/fear of missing out was more valuable than concacaf games and meaningless friendlys. He didn't want chandler to get complacent or for brooks to think he already made it. But when push comes to shove, again assuming he's a good coach, then he'll bring his best team possible.


Ive been saying this to my friends for quite awhile. also by leaving them with there clubs it puts them in better positions to get regular first team soccer which is much more important with your development.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #204
Tuesday January 21, 2014 7:31am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 260
I think JK values heart and soccer IQ...having everyone mentally on the same page. Beckerman, Goodson, Evans and Wondo are still hanging around because JK can trust them to make good decisions...probably the mindset is playing smart and unified will give you a better chance than having a couple guys with more raw talent playing naive, free lancing, or just plain dumb ass. The onus is on guys like Brooks, Shea, Agudelo and to some extent EJ to mentally outcompete the less talented slow smarties. And if they can't, they won't be on the field.

You have a better chance against poor match ups with smart players that understand how to rotate and cover for each, than taking a flyer on someone who gets beat mentally...you're dead if your teammates are expecting you to perform a certain way and you unexpectedly cross them up.

I don't think JK is sending a message playing the slow smarties...a couple of those guys are going to make it. Jk will pride himself on having a prepared, mentally focused, gritty team...not necessarily the fastest or potentially talented...just the guys that know what it takes to play well together. Luckily, we have a good core of talented players that get it.

Dimo
Post #205
Wednesday January 22, 2014 3:07am

Joined Nov 2013
Total Posts: 257
With Johannsson in such fine form, Dempsey's poor form, and Altidore's lack of goals I propose a 4-3-3. Johannsson is tearing it up so he deserves a start XI spot. Dempsey has lost his starting spot for me. Even though Altidore hasn't been scoring, his play otherwise has been okay. Regardless, we don't have enough choices to leave out both Jozy and Clint. Not to mention this puts less pressure on the MB/JJ pairing.

--------Altidore---
-Johannsson----Donovan---
---------------------
------***----Bradley-
---------Jones------
Fab--Besler---?-----?

navi8132
Post #206
Wednesday January 22, 2014 3:50am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,871
Johanssen didn't combine well with Altidore. It's one or the other. Maybe a late second half sub of having two striker, but by then formations tend to lose meaning...

We should be happy to have such an incredible 2nd choice striker like Johannsen in case Jozy gets injured or suspended.

Dimo
Post #207
Wednesday January 22, 2014 5:01am

Joined Nov 2013
Total Posts: 257
I don't think we have a large enough sample size to make that conclusion. We also don't have the depth to leave off both Dempsey and Johannsson.

admsghs27
Post #208
Wednesday January 22, 2014 5:33am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,904
I think agudelo can make a serious run to make final spot in Brazil, if he goes on a scoring barrage. Im sure we will see him in the friendly vs uktaine. Would of liked seeing him in the January camp but oh well his future is more important.

navi8132
Post #209
Wednesday January 22, 2014 2:13pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,871
Agudelo has never gone into a scoring barrage before and the first season on a new team struggling with its offense and under pressure is the worst possible scenario for him to do something he hasn't done before.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #210
Wednesday January 22, 2014 2:17pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 915
Original post from Dimo

With Johannsson in such fine form, Dempsey's poor form, and Altidore's lack of goals I propose a 4-3-3. Johannsson is tearing it up so he deserves a start XI spot. Dempsey has lost his starting spot for me. Even though Altidore hasn't been scoring, his play otherwise has been okay. Regardless, we don't have enough choices to leave out both Jozy and Clint. Not to mention this puts less pressure on the MB/JJ pairing.

----Altidore--
-Johannsson--Donovan--
-----------
---***--Bradley-
-----Jones---
Fab-Besler--?---?


Johannsson is tearing it up...from a striker position. I don't think you'll get the same effectiveness if you stick him on the wing.

Also, our defense isn't strong enough to play a 4-3-3. Our "wingers" have to play defense.

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