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Lilshmike
Post #16
Thursday July 25, 2013 6:38pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 504
Original post from 2tone

Well we'll have to just wait and see. Both Goodson and Gonzo have their problems.

And right now either in my mind could be starters on Sunday.

Besler is the only lock.


Besler is a definite.

Moving forward, Gonzalez is promising. But Goodson is still currently better. If Gonzalez develops a bit better and starts doing that quick, then he will make a strong case. Its going to be hard for him tho because Goodson just moved back to MLS, a move that he made so he could put more time and effort into making the USMNT for the World Cup. He will be closer, be able to make all the national team games and qualifiers, Klinsmann will be able to keep his eye on him more, consistent playing time, etc.

Hunt Daddy
VA
Post #17
Thursday July 25, 2013 6:45pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 48
Original post from Lilshmike

Bedoya is better an both Torres and Corona in my opinion. Torres only real redeeming quality is that he is left footed.

The starting lineup should be something like this

- Johnson -
Torres - Bedoya - Donovan
Beckerman - Holden/Diskerud
Beasley - Besler - Goodson - Parkhurst/Beltran
Rimondo

However, I think that Donovan will stay central and either Bedoya/Corona move out right. Bedoya should be out there. He is a much better player for that position than Corona is. Corona is not a wide player. Neither is Torres on the left.


I'm with you on Bedoya v Corona because the team needs more width on the right side; we know Parkhurst won't provide it. I have been really critical of Torres in the past, but he's another player that seems to thrive against CONCACAF opponents a la Beckerman. When he has time on the ball and movement around him, he looks very good. I'm ok with him starting on the left and cutting in to let Beasley give width on that side. That also gives the US more numbers in the center of the field to control play.

Side note- I really wanted Orozco to get a look at RB in this tournament. Anybody else disappointed he didn't?

Lilshmike
Post #18
Thursday July 25, 2013 7:37pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 504
Original post from Hunt Daddy

I'm with you on Bedoya v Corona because the team needs more width on the right side; we know Parkhurst won't provide it. I have been really critical of Torres in the past, but he's another player that seems to thrive against CONCACAF opponents a la Beckerman. When he has time on the ball and movement around him, he looks very good. I'm ok with him starting on the left and cutting in to let Beasley give width on that side. That also gives the US more numbers in the center of the field to control play.

Side note- I really wanted Orozco to get a look at RB in this tournament. Anybody else disappointed he didn't?


Agree with the first part.

Not upset about Orozco-Fiscal. He has proven that he is good enough and has a broad enough skillset to step in when needed as a backup if there are a bunch of injuries or something like that in CB. He could prob play RB, but we are super deep at that position and have no need for him whatsoever there.

Hunt Daddy
VA
Post #19
Thursday July 25, 2013 8:21pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 48
Original post from Lilshmike

Not upset about Orozco-Fiscal. He has proven that he is good enough and has a broad enough skillset to step in when needed as a backup if there are a bunch of injuries or something like that in CB. He could prob play RB, but we are super deep at that position and have no need for him whatsoever there.


Orozco is a capable backup CB, but he played almost exclusively at RB with Puebla last year which is why I wanted to see him there. I think the depth at RB is more a case of many names in the hat as opposed to an ordered depth chart. Dolo, Chandler, Cameron, Evans, Parkhurst, Beltran- all these guys have question marks next to their names right now. Half those guys either aren't natural RBs or don't play there for their clubs. I'm ok if JK experiments with new faces now while there is still time to do so. Someone needs to step up and stake a claim for that spot.

Lilshmike
Post #20
Thursday July 25, 2013 8:43pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 504
Original post from Hunt Daddy

Orozco is a capable backup CB, but he played almost exclusively at RB with Puebla last year which is why I wanted to see him there. I think the depth at RB is more a case of many names in the hat as opposed to an ordered depth chart. Dolo, Chandler, Cameron, Evans, Parkhurst, Beltran- all these guys have question marks next to their names right now. Half those guys either aren't natural RBs or don't play there for their clubs. I'm ok if JK experiments with new faces now while there is still time to do so. Someone needs to step up and stake a claim for that spot.


agreed. At right back we have just so many options. I dont think the guys have question marks per say, more like they are serviceable and in the event that they are needed they can suffice as a short term replacement.

We need to figure out RCB. I think Besler has done enough to set himself up to be a starting LCB for years to come. After him, its a toss up at RCB. We have a few guys, but no clear cut front runner. I think that RCB will come down to the wire and be more of a "who is playing the best and in best form" going into the world cup next summer.

Either way I dont see it as a problem. More of a positive really. We have enough guys to figure something out, so instead of putting all of our eggs in one guys basket, we have multiple that will be fighting for that spot to play at the World Cup. That will only make us stronger as a team in the backline.

navi8132
Post #21
Thursday July 25, 2013 9:39pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,903
No matter what occurs, I know that Torres will be fouled at least 6 times, he will ask for the aggressor to be carded, and will shake his finger at the ref when denied.

The VirginiaYank
Post #22
Friday July 26, 2013 1:46am

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 32
Goodson needs to start over Gonzo. Omar has been terrible he cant use his size or his strength to put any balls in the net on crosses. Stick with Goodson, who was involved in 2 of the 3 goals against Honduras. my lineup

Johnson
Donovan Corona Bedoya
Beckerman Mix
Beasley Besler Goodson Parkhurst
Rimando

Bedoya has has some questionable games but played lights out his last game so he gets the start over torres who just complained.
Holden will come in for either Mix or Beckerman and Wondo might come in if we need a late goal (although he has proven he cant score against world cup qualifying teams)

Am I the only one who has been impressed with parkhurst, during the WCQ we only saw Evans but I think Parkhurst has been outstanding

guato-dany
Post #23
Friday July 26, 2013 2:03am

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 78
The one thing that i don't like about goodson is that he does some unnecessary fouls that frighten me especially when in the box

pjscdn
Post #24
Friday July 26, 2013 3:04am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 20
- It's very demanding to play three high-level games in three different cities in one week. Fatigue is a major factor in this type of tournament
- JK pulled Donovan, Beckerman and Torres on Wednesday. That is a clear sign his intent to keep them fresh for Sunday. I'm thinking all three will start.
- I would think one of the two CBs who played Wednesday sits. I'm thinking Goodson makes way for Gonzales.
- Corona get a start on the wing. Bedoya also put in 90 minutes, but can put in a 2nd half shift if needed.
- Can't expect Holden to put in a full 90 minutes again. Mixx starts with Beckerman.

Let's all hope CONCAFAF assigns a good referee to this final game. With Mexico out, we may see a Mexican officiating crew. I'm OK with that.

Looking further ahead..What will be interesting from here is to evaluate which GC players made their case for the August friendly. It's a good problem for JK to have, isn't it?

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #25
Friday July 26, 2013 4:07am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 982
It is a good problem if he makes the right decisions. Hopefully he will use the stars from the gold cup and put them with our stars from the A team against BandH to evaluate who can translate to actual competition. Should be interesting.

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