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Post #46
Tuesday July 30, 2013 1:53am

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Original post from Alcharod

4-4-3?


4-3-3 is what I mean it would deffinetly be quite the advantage to our national team if we could play a 4-4-3 lol.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #47
Tuesday July 30, 2013 1:58am

Joined Jul 2013
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Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Funny, cause even when he wasnt getting consistent time at his club, whenever he was called in for the national team, he performed.

If a player is producing at the international level, why does his club play matter so much?

I know I'm in the minority with this argument, but if I were Klinsmann, Adu would be on my team every day of the week. He shows up everytime when representing the stars and stripes. I dont know what else really matters.


I actually agree with you. I can understand club form to a point, but I think it's a bit overrated. Adu's recent club situation makes it easy for him to stay off the NT though.
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EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #48
Tuesday July 30, 2013 2:12am

Joined May 2013
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Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Funny, cause even when he wasnt getting consistent time at his club, whenever he was called in for the national team, he performed.

If a player is producing at the international level, why does his club play matter so much?

I know I'm in the minority with this argument, but if I were Klinsmann, Adu would be on my team every day of the week. He shows up everytime when representing the stars and stripes. I dont know what else really matters.


Well that just shows he'll get special treatment over guys who have produced at club level. Freddy is a talent no question but he should never get special treatment like that. We just saw Landon Donovan, the greatest American player, get back and succeed. He had to work his way back and so should Freddy.

navi8132
New York
Post #49
Tuesday July 30, 2013 2:37am

Joined Jul 2012
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I feel like even if Freddy was not at a club, as in Bahia let him go, and he was not purchased by anyone, people would still want him on the USMNT.

MSantoine
Post #50
Tuesday July 30, 2013 2:47am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from navi8132

I feel like even if Freddy was not at a club, as in Bahia let him go, and he was not purchased by anyone, people would still want him on the USMNT.


As long as other players get called in while not playing for club ( ie Parkhurst, DWilliams, etc) people will say Adu deserves a chance too and its hard to blame them

Alcharod
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Post #51
Tuesday July 30, 2013 1:38pm

Joined Dec 2012
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Original post from navi8132

I feel like even if Freddy was not at a club, as in Bahia let him go, and he was not purchased by anyone, people would still want him on the USMNT.


My question is, why do you single out Adu when others that are actually on the USMNT are in the same situation, and or are washed up, and or we talked about will never be ready for real international competition?

Its like they say...you only boo and hate the players you actually respect or know are really good.... If they are not, people pay them no mind....

CBoyd3142
Probably far from where you are...
Post #52
Tuesday July 30, 2013 2:35pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Original post from Alcharod

My question is, why do you single out Adu when others that are actually on the USMNT are in the same situation, and or are washed up, and or we talked about will never be ready for real international competition?

Its like they say...you only boo and hate the players you actually respect or know are really good.... If they are not, people pay them no mind....


I would argue that some of these other players probably have the edge in overall experience and most definitely attitude, not to mention JK has to give them that initial shot to see if they're up for it. We used to slam Beckerman but he just had an exceptional tournament and it wouldn't hurt my feelings to have him on the bench come WC if he keeps that kind of play up - granted, the competition will be slightly fierce come Brazil....

We'll beat this already long-dead horse until he retires, but Adu's club-hopping, noted disruptive behavior in the locker room & lack of PT poisons his chances. The truth is, Adu is being singled out by those supporting him - there are plenty of threads on here where people criticize/bash JK's other player selections. If we focused more on his progress at Bahia (which is nascent at best at the moment) and less on his current status with the USMNT (which doesn't currently exist), it'd probably be a more positive, singular thread instead of 3 or 4 threads with 500 posts a piece of the same crap going back and forth.
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Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #53
Tuesday July 30, 2013 5:36pm

Joined Sep 2012
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ZINGAAAAAA Thank you Boyd. It's the same crap everyyyy singglleeee timeeeee.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #54
Tuesday July 30, 2013 6:09pm

Joined Jun 2012
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Original post from EKneezy

Well that just shows he'll get special treatment over guys who have produced at club level. Freddy is a talent no question but he should never get special treatment like that. We just saw Landon Donovan, the greatest American player, get back and succeed. He had to work his way back and so should Freddy.


I get what you are saying, but I was one of the few(I think) that wanted Donovan called into the WCQs before the summer. Its not about giving Adu, Donovan, or whoever special treatment, its about building the best roster for the USMNT. I understand that its an honor to play for your country, but Im not a believer that it should be only club form that determines if you make the squad. I dont look at it as an "all-star" team. Yes, for the most part, the players having great club seasons deserve to be on the team. But there are a few positions where we are very thin, and guys like Donovan and Adu provide a necessary skillset for those positions, and can help the USMNT win.

Im not saying Adu is the final piece to the puzzle, but I feel he is better than Corona and Torres, especially based on where Klinsmann has been lining those guys up. Now if he isnt even dressing for games, then no, im not calling him in. But if he's training, making the 18 and getting some PT, then I would have no problem bringing him in.

I like Klinsmann, but the silly games he plays are for the birds. The whole Altidore thing was BS. Altidore wasnt playing bad, Klinsmann just couldnt figure out how to get the best out of the entire squad.

Nothing happened to Donovan in March & April that made him the player we just saw in the Gold Cup. We won all 3 games, so its besides the point, but nobody can say that Donovan wouldn't of helped our team still.

I have the same views on Chandler and Johannsson. If they make this team better, I dont care if they've been on the fence for awhile about playing for the US, bring them in.

In the end, its about winning.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #55
Tuesday July 30, 2013 6:27pm

Joined May 2013
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@Richie yep. I totally understand. Adu is always a polarizing player. I just think this team is at a point where depth is increasing and Adu will have to fght at Bahia to be considered.

muchadu
Post #56
Tuesday July 30, 2013 7:09pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 41
The USMNT is starting to make all the right moves. Calling in Johannsson and possibly getting Brooks are very important moves. Finding a back line with guys like Brooks, Fabian and Chandler is the kind of quality we need. I don't know how much Johannsson played with Jozy, but this could be our striker team of the future with Demps lurking underneath them.

I still believe our two best options for #10 type players are Donovan and Freddy. If JK can find a way to blend these two players into the midfield with Bradley, Jones and/or Zusi we could do some major damage. If Johannsson turns out to be our answer for scoring more goals alongside Jozy and Demps we might have found our starting lineup for WC 2014.

It will be interesting to see who JK starts in the upcoming Bosnia friendly.

muchadu
Post #57
Tuesday July 30, 2013 7:26pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 41
Original post from dstones77

Have you watched US soccer since March??? what counter atacking soccer are you watching??? sure we score goals like that still but we dominate posession now a days.

I agree i don't want parkhurst and DMB as outside backs you're right with Johnson and Chandler insterted there they just aren't defenders for a back 3 system..

Im just saying everyone is laughing at that lineup you through out there.. and I curse because how wrong you are.. if you want super attacking soccer throwing numbers forward months ago I supported a 3-5-2 which is similar to what you are proposing I just actually inserted choices into positions that make sense...

-Altidore-LD--
--Duece--
Johnson--Chandler
--MB--JJ--
-Besler-Gonzo-Cam-

-johnson and chandler can play wing, wingback whatever you wanna call that position (they do it for their club, do some research)
- and The defensive 3 of Gonzo in the middle because he's slowest and Cam has experience as an outside defender as well as a CB


@dstones77 Ok good points. I was referring to our team when we actually play WC contenders not gold cup/Concacaf opponents. I see your logic with the 3-5-2, but would like to see Johannsson up top with Jozy and Brooks/Chandler on the back line. LD could drop back into the midfield maybe. To me Besler and Gonzo are sub defenders not starters. Would of course love to see Freddy as a super sub.

dstones77
Hagerstown, MD
Post #58
Tuesday July 30, 2013 7:41pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 216
Not that I want that.... I was just putting that dude in his place for saying Freddy is the missing piece lol

joey11
Post #59
Tuesday July 30, 2013 8:58pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 269
I'd like to see this thread go away until Adu actually does something. Look, I believe he is very talented but you're debating over a guy getting splinters in his butt!!!! I hope he can become the international player everyone wants but hard thing to do when you're not playing! Even players playing for their clubs U-23 or reserve teams are in better game shape.

Lilshmike
Post #60
Tuesday July 30, 2013 9:44pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 513
This is neither pro nor anti Adu, but heres the thing

Freddy just needs to suck it up, come back to the MLS, and take a pay cut. The reason he is down in Brazil is because his wages demands are so high that it is unrealistic for him to find a team. He wants to get paid at least $500,000 in the MLS, yet he is not good enough for that amount of money. There are other players who are just as good that make half that amount.

He is slow now, he has terrible game fitness, and he gets pushed off of the ball very easily. If he could go to a club where he will play, get a bit faster, get a bit stronger, build up his endurance and get in shape, then Adu would be a different story. However, he is not.

He has it in his mind that he is better than he really is. He is willing to ruin his career rather than swallow his pride and make a move that will benefit his development. He would rather waste away on the bench for guaranteed money rather than work hard on a lower salary and earn more than what he was given.

Its a sad story. But he does not deserve to be anywhere around the national team until he can prove everyone else different.

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