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dstones77
Hagerstown, MD
Post #31
Wednesday July 24, 2013 8:00pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 216
Original post from muchadu

First of all, to switch from a weak defense minded, lame counter attack type team that we have always been, that can only score more than a goal or two, there has to be a creative solution.

Secondly, if we use Besler in the middle fine. I was just looking for some quality defenders who could also benefit from Bradley and Jones playing a more defensive minded midfield in front of 3 defenders. Gotta lose the hack defenders we have tried like Parkhurst, Goodson, DMB etc.

Thirdly, Try not to use profanity as it exposes you as an idiot and destroys credibility.

Lastly, respect other peoples opinions unless you qualify as a professional soccer coach.


Have you watched US soccer since March??? what counter atacking soccer are you watching??? sure we score goals like that still but we dominate posession now a days.

I agree i don't want parkhurst and DMB as outside backs you're right with Johnson and Chandler insterted there they just aren't defenders for a back 3 system..

Im just saying everyone is laughing at that lineup you through out there.. and I curse because how wrong you are.. if you want super attacking soccer throwing numbers forward months ago I supported a 3-5-2 which is similar to what you are proposing I just actually inserted choices into positions that make sense...

----Altidore--LD-----
-------Duece-------
Johnson-------Chandler
-----MB-----JJ-----
--Besler---Gonzo--Cam--

-johnson and chandler can play wing, wingback whatever you wanna call that position (they do it for their club, do some research)
- and The defensive 3 of Gonzo in the middle because he's slowest and Cam has experience as an outside defender as well as a CB

guato-dany
Post #32
Wednesday July 24, 2013 8:02pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 78
Zusi is by far one of the best crossers on our team i believe shea is slightly behind him tho and fabian johnson is perhaps level with zusi but honestly i think till some younger player steps up zusi or until Klinsmann feels donovan should start on the A-team that zusi has a spot for the world cup

MSantoine
Post #33
Wednesday July 24, 2013 8:11pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,048
Original post from bjelks

Lol, he is garbage. I've never seen him beat anybody 1v1 before or do anything of any difficulty with the ball. Nobody has told me what he brings yet. Speed, power, technique, creativity? He's just average.

U.S. gives too many players credit for trying hard, "being a good team player", and playing it safe.

What does that even mean? Nowhere else in the world do they applaud players for doing nothing special.


@bjelks Im starting a new thread to examine this topic

CBoyd3142
Probably far from where you are...
Post #34
Wednesday July 24, 2013 8:21pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 318
Original post from bjelks

@munn The last time Freddy played for the national team he was rated as the best player on the field by the other country's press.
I've never heard of such an honor for Zusi. I'm not getting into the politics of US soccer, but Beckerman, Parkhurst, and Goodson are trash as well and they've got a lot of time over much better players. So, how can you really value the coaches' trust that much?

@kicks Any professional winger should be a "good crosser of the ball" with time and space.

@rain Produces offense or is he a byproduct of low competition and his much better teammates opening space for him?

He consistently plays because Donovan has been AWOL, Gyau and Taylor haven't been getting consistent time because of their youth and more competitive club environments, or because Parker, Wood, Wooten have been trying to settle into their clubs?

I'm just saying let's look at the big picture guys. We all know we have much more talented players than Zusi and to compete against the big boys in the WC, we'll need to have as few weak links as possible.


I could care less if another country's press gives someone here an award - if our goalie dropped an easy save into the net, I'm sure he'd grab their award too.

Zusi's not neck-breaking talent but he does have some positive highlights to his name. You're right - maybe he's gotten more attention because of LD's situation and he's not a long-term answer, but has he really blown it for us? Again, he's not stealing the show, but he's made some good, smart plays and hasn't given up anything too definitive.

Adu has pretty long odds to make it to the WC, period. Yeah, it's an opinion. The only way I see it is if he starts making much bigger strides at Bahia - he has about a year and he's already starting on the bench. I don't think JK is just going to throw him into the final 23 without getting him some time in some WCQ or friendlies beforehand. I won't rule it out necessarily, but it is what it is. As I've said in plenty of my posts, I would love to be proved wrong on this. But if we're staying realistic, he has a LONG way to go and if his attitude hasn't changed from what it was several months ago and he's sparsely playing, he's a non-factor in that WC lineup.
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snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #35
Wednesday July 24, 2013 8:27pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 257
Fred will play on the USMNT once he actually plays regularly on a club team. Which he has like never been able to do. Until then it's Zusi on the right whether we like it or not. JK does and that's all that matters. Lets just leave it at that.
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kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #36
Wednesday July 24, 2013 8:49pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 331
Original post from CBoyd3142

Zusi's not neck-breaking talent but he does have some positive highlights to his name. You're right - maybe he's gotten more attention because of LD's situation and he's not a long-term answer, but has he really blown it for us? Again, he's not stealing the show, but he's made some good, smart plays and hasn't given up anything too definitive.



Like I said. He's solid.
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rainORshine
Post #37
Wednesday July 24, 2013 9:43pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,770
some folks are under the perpetual allusion that the full USMNT is for the guys that have the most POTENTIAL to be great players by world standards

in fact, the USMNT is simply a team for the best players at their positions at any given moment, generally regardless of "potential". basically an all-star team

zusi has 14 goals and 31 assists in MLS in last 2 and a half years. pretty sure that puts him at the best goal creator at club level of any player in the pool over that time period. (donovan has 27 assists since beginning of 2011)

the guy obviously earned his shot and has done ok with it. if people want to see different guys get a shot they just need to excel with their club, as zusi has

guys with potential are a dime a dozen - you cant give them all chances with MNT. that is what clubs are for. very few of them will ACTUALLY become really good players.

once guys do actualize their potential, the MNT will be waiting, so no worries

Mojofc
Post #38
Wednesday July 24, 2013 10:03pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 670
Original post from rainORshine

some folks are under the perpetual allusion that the full USMNT is for the guys that have the most POTENTIAL to be great players by world standards

in fact, the USMNT is simply a team for the best players at their positions at any given moment, generally regardless of "potential". basically an all-star team

zusi has 14 goals and 31 assists in MLS in last 2 and a half years. pretty sure that puts him at the best goal creator at club level of any player in the pool over that time period. (donovan has 27 assists since beginning of 2011)

the guy obviously earned his shot and has done ok with it. if people want to see different guys get a shot they just need to excel with their club, as zusi has

guys with potential are a dime a dozen - you cant give them all chances with MNT. that is what clubs are for. very few of them will ACTUALLY become really good players.

once guys do actualize their potential, the MNT will be waiting, so no worries


Agree but will also add, sometimes a good match with the USMNT can propel your club career (mainly for young players).

Also add that a callup to the USMNT can be result of showing a youth prospect that they are heading in the right direction and to keep up what they are doing at club level and they will get their chances. Something I'd like to do a bit more of.

Good post, not disagreeing with what you said.
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munns5986
Post #39
Wednesday July 24, 2013 10:24pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 90
@Mojofc I think rainORshine has hit it on the nail. I also agree with what you say for the most part. The reason for the most part is I am not sure if you mean they should play or start. I think the way Jurgen handled Jack McInerey was perfect. Call him in and let him know he is on the radar and to give him some camp experience. This gives the coaches a chance for face to face coaching and the player leaves knowing what they need to work on. This needs to be limited though to 1 maybe 2 players per camp.

It seems to me that people want these young guys called in and for them to start. I am big on comparing to other sports because I think you can take positives from each. A freshman on a college football team for the most part comes in and redshirts his first year on campus to get better equipped to play. Now I am not saying a soccer player should sit out a whole year but I think there is benefit to being able to just sit on the sideline and watch the guys ahead of him in a game situation after practicing and seeing what they need to do to push to the next level.

Mojofc
Post #40
Wednesday July 24, 2013 10:40pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 670
Original post from munns5986

@Mojofc I think rainORshine has hit it on the nail. I also agree with what you say for the most part. The reason for the most part is I am not sure if you mean they should play or start. I think the way Jurgen handled Jack McInerey was perfect. Call him in and let him know he is on the radar and to give him some camp experience. This gives the coaches a chance for face to face coaching and the player leaves knowing what they need to work on. This needs to be limited though to 1 maybe 2 players per camp.

It seems to me that people want these young guys called in and for them to start. I am big on comparing to other sports because I think you can take positives from each. A freshman on a college football team for the most part comes in and redshirts his first year on campus to get better equipped to play. Now I am not saying a soccer player should sit out a whole year but I think there is benefit to being able to just sit on the sideline and watch the guys ahead of him in a game situation after practicing and seeing what they need to do to push to the next level.


Sure, I'd clarify in saying bringing them into camp and assessing their ability to see minutes at that time. If they train like the rest and someone is dipping in form, I see no problem showing him minutes. If he trains okay, I see no problem showing him minutes at the end of a friendly but not in an important game unless his skill set is different from everyone else and we're willing to gamble.

Agree with what you said about Jack, I'm happy he was brought in, it shows JK is willing to give you a look if you're doing the right thing at club level, if he doesn't prove in training he is worth a start, no reason to start him just because of a callup.

Don't know if that makes any more sense, but I don't have the time to re-read what I wrote... I'm about to head downtown to watch the USA !!!
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skangles
DC
Post #41
Monday July 29, 2013 5:35am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,855
Freddy didn't dress in Bahia's win tonight.

chillguy1992
Post #42
Monday July 29, 2013 7:22am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 396
I think freddie adu unless he is starting for bahia he shouldnt be anywhere near the conversation us a or b team. Also no three men cb tandem for the mens national team should never ever be considered. the 4-2-3-1,4-4-2 or 4-4-3 is our best formations depending on the situation going forward simple as that. Anyone that thinks otherwise about adu or the three man backline I am going to sort of have to disagree with you there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uHBFiAnpZs

coverby
Post #43
Monday July 29, 2013 9:33am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 68
Haha gotta love on Ives Q&A there are always 10 questions about when Freddy is coming back to the USMNT. Are people that delusional?

Alcharod
302
Post #44
Monday July 29, 2013 1:30pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 574
Original post from chillguy1992

I think freddie adu unless he is starting for bahia he shouldnt be anywhere near the conversation us a or b team. Also no three men cb tandem for the mens national team should never ever be considered. the 4-2-3-1,4-4-2 or 4-4-3 is our best formations depending on the situation going forward simple as that. Anyone that thinks otherwise about adu or the three man backline I am going to sort of have to disagree with you there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uHBFiAnpZs


4-4-3?

richieJkulesaNY
Post #45
Monday July 29, 2013 1:40pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 922
Funny, cause even when he wasnt getting consistent time at his club, whenever he was called in for the national team, he performed.

If a player is producing at the international level, why does his club play matter so much?

I know I'm in the minority with this argument, but if I were Klinsmann, Adu would be on my team every day of the week. He shows up everytime when representing the stars and stripes. I dont know what else really matters.

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