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Scout92
Lone Star State(Gun State)
Post #16
Monday July 22, 2013 10:17pm

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I think Dono would be a better num 10 than deuce, I execpt to see that change by klinsy. Dont think deuce would do well on the left wing (would drift in to much..) fabian is prob left wing..with beas LB.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #17
Monday July 22, 2013 10:29pm

Joined Jul 2012
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All I know is there is talented depth period. Depending on what kind of draw for the WC the US gets we may be witnesses to another deep run next summer.

jtsccr12
Post #18
Monday July 22, 2013 10:56pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 80
Donovan and Dempsey have fluidly played in the midfield together for many years, and have done wonderfully. Expect to see a formation where Dempsey or Donovan start on the left, but rotate with each other in the "left middle" all the time. Zusi on the right is a great slot for him, but he will be asked to stay wide. LD and Duece will look to combine to beat teams, and Zusi will look to cross early. With a holding CM to protect the back line, it isn't as big of a deal to expose the LB. Here is my perdiction, and I am pretty sure it is what JK will do:

---------Altidore-------------
-----__--------------------
---LD/ Dempsey-----Zusi------
-----__/--------------------
-----------Bradley-----------
--------Jones---------------
---------------------------
--FJ---Beisler---Gonzo---Chandler/Dolo
---------------------------
----------Howard------------

stone88
Post #19
Monday July 22, 2013 10:56pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 818


WC 2014!

rjw77
Post #20
Tuesday July 23, 2013 1:20am

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 265
Who ya got at CBs? lol

stone88
Post #21
Tuesday July 23, 2013 4:36am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 818
Original post from rjw77

Who ya got at CBs? lol


Who knows?!?

dstones77
Hagerstown, MD
Post #22
Tuesday July 23, 2013 12:44pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 216
love it

rainORshine
Post #23
Thursday July 25, 2013 10:50pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,770
why are we trying to choose between dempsey and donovan? it is crystal clear that at this point in their careers BOTH are ideally suited to playing off a central striker in a secondary/roaming role. SO DO IT!

is it really important to keep zusi on the field??? this takes an average zusi off and puts one of our many talented CMs on.

both LD and CD need to be as close to goal as possible. this was my main complaint of BB who instead of playing a 3rd CM (feilhaber or holden) and pushing LD and dempsey - EASILY our 2 best attackers in 2010 (now jozy makes 3 good ones) - closer to goal, choose instead to go with the likes of findley and gomez with jozy in a 4-4-2

----altidore---
--dempsey-donovan--
---X---X---
----X-----
johnson----chandler

ill let you pick your favorite CM options. in this set-up both CD and LD have secondary defensive responsibilities on wings, but are primarily attackers with freedom to roam from touchline to center as fabian and chandler provide additional firepower on wings.

#6 holds deep to provide defensive balance and to drop onto back line when needed for fabian/chandler

why are we so afraid of thinking outside the box? you really want zusi on the field instead of putting ALL of our best players in the best spots?

rainORshine
Post #24
Thursday July 25, 2013 11:04pm

Joined Dec 2012
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for the record i would call it a 4-3-2-1

...with dual 10s who have a little defensive responsibility on flanks

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #25
Friday July 26, 2013 7:51am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 271
Original post from rainORshine

for the record i would call it a 4-3-2-1

...with dual 10s who have a little defensive responsibility on flanks


In theory they would work in harmony, but I think it would be two alpha males fighting over the ball. I'm probably in the minority, but for as talented as they both are, their combination play is not that great. Only in times of dire need, with the game on the line do they really find each other. It's a very competitive on field relationship. They have polar opposite approaches to attacking a defense and a lot of times when they are close together on the field it looks like crap. Deuce wants to hang onto the ball and dribble first then pass. LD wants to move the ball as quickly as possible. For my money, I'd run the offense through LD and get Deuce as far away from him as possible...

dstones77
Hagerstown, MD
Post #26
Friday July 26, 2013 12:40pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 216
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

In theory they would work in harmony, but I think it would be two alpha males fighting over the ball. I'm probably in the minority, but for as talented as they both are, their combination play is not that great. Only in times of dire need, with the game on the line do they really find each other. It's a very competitive on field relationship. They have polar opposite approaches to attacking a defense and a lot of times when they are close together on the field it looks like crap. Deuce wants to hang onto the ball and dribble first then pass. LD wants to move the ball as quickly as possible. For my money, I'd run the offense through LD and get Deuce as far away from him as possible...


I get that, but I think LD plays entirely different now than he did a year ago or even 2 years ago. Yeah he's scoring goals in the GC but for me the 7 assists and his movement off the ball is the most valuable thing he's accomplished. Zusi will not be a starter in the WC he does not have the pace to free up his quality crosses, so i could see that 4-3-2-1, but if you want to keep our style of play in tact Brek or Corona or Bedoya or whoever steps up this next year will be at RM or LM leaving the other side for LD and Duece to rotate inside and out allowing Chandler and Fabian to provide the most width.. I can't wait to see LD's service for Altidore >>>

(If Brek plays well)
-------Altidore------
Shea--Duece---LD

(If Corona or Bedoya or wild card plays well

-----Altidore----
LD----Duece--()

it's fun actually getting to banter about quality attacking options in the USMNT lol..

rainORshine
Post #27
Friday July 26, 2013 12:53pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,770
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

In theory they would work in harmony, but I think it would be two alpha males fighting over the ball. I'm probably in the minority, but for as talented as they both are, their combination play is not that great. Only in times of dire need, with the game on the line do they really find each other. It's a very competitive on field relationship. They have polar opposite approaches to attacking a defense and a lot of times when they are close together on the field it looks like crap. Deuce wants to hang onto the ball and dribble first then pass. LD wants to move the ball as quickly as possible. For my money, I'd run the offense through LD and get Deuce as far away from him as possible...


dont necessarily disagree with too much here but i will completely disagree that dempsey wants to "hang on to the ball and dribble first". This is not true at all. dempsey's biggest attribute is and always has been as an assassin. he wants to get into the 18 and poach goals. this is especially true now that he has lost the quickness of his youth. take him away from the goal at this point in his career and he is almost worthless.

i expect he will lose a lot of playing time at spurs this year because he has LOST his ability to be dynamic on a wing. we'll just see about that

take dempsey away from goal and you might as well take him off the the field

i dont disagree that it would be system that takes a good bit of sorting out so that they are not bumping into each other in the middle.

i think the answer is that you spread them out enough laterally (across width of field), have donovan generally shade closer to the midfielders and dempsey slightly higher, towards jozy

-----------altidore---
----dempsey----------
-----------donovan--
-----X--------X-----

just think it is at least worth a look - otherwise you are really losing the potential of one of them

richieJkulesaNY
Post #28
Friday July 26, 2013 1:01pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 933
Original post from rainORshine

for the record i would call it a 4-3-2-1

...with dual 10s who have a little defensive responsibility on flanks


You have to get over this 3 CM lineup, especially the 4-3-2-1. IT DOES NOT WORK. Plus, these "dual 10s" you speak of, the only 2 players we have that are capable of playing a 10 role are Dempsey and Donovan, and you have them both as forwards basically.

I dont really understand the notion of "thinking outside the box" with this team. We've never seen Dempsey and Donovan play in the 4-2-3-1 yet. This formation is extremely flexible all over the field. Our fullbacks have been getting up the field, our central midfield doesnt look like a clusterf*** anymore, and our overall spacing looks great. Jozy has been getting regualr service and even guys that are playing out of their normal position are having some moments of success. And we're not getting caught on counterattacks when we lose the ball.

Why do you think its necessary to change things? If you want to change tactics, then its about switching players, not formations. Look at what Bedoya gave us against Honduras as compared to Corona against El Salvador.

rainORshine
Post #29
Friday July 26, 2013 1:23pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,770
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

You have to get over this 3 CM lineup, especially the 4-3-2-1. IT DOES NOT WORK. Plus, these "dual 10s" you speak of, the only 2 players we have that are capable of playing a 10 role are Dempsey and Donovan, and you have them both as forwards basically.

I dont really understand the notion of "thinking outside the box" with this team. We've never seen Dempsey and Donovan play in the 4-2-3-1 yet. This formation is extremely flexible all over the field. Our fullbacks have been getting up the field, our central midfield doesnt look like a clusterf*** anymore, and our overall spacing looks great. Jozy has been getting regualr service and even guys that are playing out of their normal position are having some moments of success. And we're not getting caught on counterattacks when we lose the ball.

Why do you think its necessary to change things? If you want to change tactics, then its about switching players, not formations. Look at what Bedoya gave us against Honduras as compared to Corona against El Salvador.


you basically answered the question there at the end. i personally have my doubts that zusi, corona, or bedoya can really affect a game against the kind of competition we will face at world cup. would rather add a CM, shade donovan (or dempsey) off to right and open up the wing for chandler

would rather:

---dempsey--donovan---
------------------
fabian---------chandler

than:

donovan----------zusi
-----------------
fabian---------chandler

yeah, its looking quite good lately. we'll see how it translates...

richieJkulesaNY
Post #30
Friday July 26, 2013 2:26pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 933
Original post from rainORshine

you basically answered the question there at the end. i personally have my doubts that zusi, corona, or bedoya can really affect a game against the kind of competition we will face at world cup. would rather add a CM, shade donovan (or dempsey) off to right and open up the wing for chandler

would rather:

--dempsey-donovan--
---------
fabian-----chandler

than:

donovan-----zusi
---------
fabian-----chandler

yeah, its looking quite good lately. we'll see how it translates...


But you want to take out an attacking mid for a central mid. That doesnt work with this team. You have to include either Dempsey or Donovan as the CAM, and then the 2 CMs behind them. And again, our fullbacks have been getting into the attack just fine in the 4-2-3-1.

How did I answer my own question? Corona played RW against ES and we played more of a ground game and attacked the middle of the field, which suits Corona. Against Honduras, Klinsmann wanted to attack the wings with speed and some more power, which is why he started Bedoya. Either way, we played a 4-2-3-1.

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