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2tone
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Post #1
Monday July 22, 2013 3:35pm

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The US, for the past few decades, have embraced more of the underdog role even against the smaller Central American and Caribbean teams. While necessary in the early 90's due to a non existent pro league and players, I think the underdog role has been a hard mentality to get past.

The one thing I praise Klinsmann for is pushing the US players past this underdog role mentality into a we are the big dog mentality.

Both Bradley and Arena to an extent played more conservatively and continued to foster an underdog mentality against even Central American teams.

I can tell you that Bradley would of had his team yesterday try to defend that 2-1 lead instead of pushing for more goals.

I think the players are finally buying into Klinsmann's system of a more attack oriented mentality, I think the players are buying into the big dog in the region mentality, and finally I think we are seeing the players playing with less restrictions which allows the team play more free flowing. Bradley and or Arena to an extent never really allowed their teams to take the reigns off.

I for one am excited for the future of the USMNT.

camparkinson
Post #2
Monday July 22, 2013 4:41pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Yea, I mean of course it's a record 9 game winning streak but it's not the streak its the way these games are being won. Never seen a US team create and score so many chances, really makes it so much more fun to be a USA fan and to watch these games. We're so used to years or tense, tough matches against far inferior teams where the US has no idea what to do with possession and no idea how to create chances when it's not a counter attack.

Very exciting stuff... hopefully this translates to the full team in Sept.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #3
Monday July 22, 2013 4:44pm

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Wynalda also brought up this point, he loves the fact that JK is never happy enough with a winning position, he wants a decisive win every time out. Got two goals? Push for three! Holding on to a one-goal lead? Make it a two goal lead!

From the very minute I heard that Klinsy was the new man in charge, I knew that the only thing standing between him and success was going to be time. The players were always going to buy in to the overall mentality of the system he's been putting in place, but whether or not that was going to happen before the public and/or the "powers-that-be" got impatient with a perceived lack of results.

MSantoine
Post #4
Monday July 22, 2013 5:01pm

Joined Nov 2012
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My thoughts exactly. These were my qualms with JK in the last WCQ round. Struggling against minnows. We wouldnt open up and take the game to them. It made his selection and usage of the 3-CDM lineups even more frustrating. Great teams dont beat bad teams, they destroy them. Looks like we're headinging in that direction (Finally!!)

skangles
DC
Post #5
Tuesday July 23, 2013 1:22am

Joined Jan 2013
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The craziest part about all of this is that it was Klinsmann who led us into a system of 3 DMs with no players getting forward and Jozy marginalized to a jogging spectator. It has been a complete 180 turnaround from we've seen from the rest of Juergen's tenure.

blaise213
San Francisco CA
Post #6
Tuesday July 23, 2013 1:29am

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Original post from skangles

The craziest part about all of this is that it was Klinsmann who led us into a system of 3 DMs with no players getting forward and Jozy marginalized to a jogging spectator. It has been a complete 180 turnaround from we've seen from the rest of Juergen's tenure.


good comment

MSantoine
Post #7
Tuesday July 23, 2013 1:58am

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Original post from skangles

The craziest part about all of this is that it was Klinsmann who led us into a system of 3 DMs with no players getting forward and Jozy marginalized to a jogging spectator. It has been a complete 180 turnaround from we've seen from the rest of Juergen's tenure.


Thats why some of us were passionate he needed to go. A lot of us saw the potential and that we were being held back by player choices. He opens it up a little with just our B level guys and we explode.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #8
Tuesday July 23, 2013 2:36am

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At the time there was a plethora of Cm's. Klinsmann tried the formation and it didn't work. People jumped the gun on Klinsmann way to fast. There is a reason for everything people. He was brought in to try different formations and player personnel. Some worked some haven't.

I like what Klinsmann has done.

skangles
DC
Post #9
Tuesday July 23, 2013 2:51am

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I like what he's done and I love the cut throat style of play that we've been driving this summer but the frustrating part of Klinsmann was that he stuck with that damn 3 DM formation for way too long without trying out other formations despite the fact that it clearly wasn't facilitating the offense.

I would also argue that our central midfield position is stronger now than it was back then with Bradley, Jones, Cameron, Beckerman, Mix, Holden, Edu, Williams and Kljestan, albeit Edu and Williams have slipped considerably.

Nevertheless, Klinsmann has really turned it around.

Somewhat off topic but speaking of frustration with a US coach, remember when Arena was adamant that he was bringing his A-squad to the 2003 Gold Cup instead of the Confederations Cup? That was the most pissed I've ever been with a US coach and at least now it's clear that the Gold Cup gets you the ticket to the Confederations Cup and that is indeed your prize.

To be fair to Arena, he eventually caved and brought his strong young players to both tournaments but the likes of McBride, Reyna and Keller were only on the Gold Cup squad.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #10
Tuesday July 23, 2013 12:57pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 932
Original post from 2tone

At the time there was a plethora of Cm's. Klinsmann tried the formation and it didn't work. People jumped the gun on Klinsmann way to fast. There is a reason for everything people. He was brought in to try different formations and player personnel. Some worked some haven't.

I like what Klinsmann has done.


You like what Klinsmann has done since March. People didnt jump the gun too quick because we looked like utter crap the first year and a half.

It wasn't rocket science to realize 3 CMs was not going to help with our attack. Either he was being extremely stubborn or he doesnt know how to evaluate our players abilities.

And ill say it again, I dont necessarily think its Klinsmann fault. I put most of the blame on Vasquez, who is suppose to be our formation/tactics guy. I made a statement on another thread about the US team coming off as a clique sometimes, and Vasquez is a perfect example.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #11
Tuesday July 23, 2013 2:24pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from MSantoine

Thats why some of us were passionate he needed to go. A lot of us saw the potential and that we were being held back by player choices. He opens it up a little with just our B level guys and we explode.


Personally, and I may just be attributing this to my perception of Klinsy as a mad genius, but I think he incorporated that 3dm system for to motivate the team's regulars to want to play a more offensive style.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #12
Tuesday July 23, 2013 3:06pm

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Original post from richieJkulesaNY

You like what Klinsmann has done since March. People didnt jump the gun too quick because we looked like utter crap the first year and a half.

It wasn't rocket science to realize 3 CMs was not going to help with our attack. Either he was being extremely stubborn or he doesnt know how to evaluate our players abilities.

And ill say it again, I dont necessarily think its Klinsmann fault. I put most of the blame on Vasquez, who is suppose to be our formation/tactics guy. I made a statement on another thread about the US team coming off as a clique sometimes, and Vasquez is a perfect example.


No I like what Kinsmann has done since taking over. I never jumped on the let's fire Klinsmann bandwagon.

bbakerxyz
Post #13
Tuesday July 23, 2013 3:30pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Yeah, I think Klinsy going w/ 3 DMs was pretty deliberate. Most people w/ sense assumed he'd switch to something more attacking w/ better skilled players. And he probably knew it too from the beginning.

He'll still be judged primarily on whether he makes it out of the group stages in Rio. Remember, we had probably the easiest group we'll see in our life times in South Africa. No sense to judge him before then. Let the poor guy experiment for chrissakes.

Our Gold Cup squad is closer to our A team than Mexico's is. We're supposed to win it. I guess I'll judge him pretty negatively if we don't.

Alcharod
302
Post #14
Tuesday July 23, 2013 3:39pm

Joined Dec 2012
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The last 14 matches our opponents have been

Canada
Honduras
Costa Rica
Mexico
Belgium
Germany
Jamaica
Panama
Honduras
Guatemala
Belize
Cuba
Coasta Rica
El Salvador.

We have played one quality opponent in those matches at their full strength. Belgium. Mexico stinks, and Germany's top players were in the CL Final. Next month we play another quality team in Bosnia & Herzegovina. They are ranked 14th in the World. Lets see what we do vs another Euro team first.

On another note, this is great for team moral and excitement for the fans because a win IS a win. The reason the USWNT are so popular is because we are expect a win from them every time out. Glad to see that he has not playing the 3 DM anymore hopefully the fans and the results finally got to him.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #15
Tuesday July 23, 2013 3:43pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 932
Original post from bbakerxyz

Yeah, I think Klinsy going w/ 3 DMs was pretty deliberate. Most people w/ sense assumed he'd switch to something more attacking w/ better skilled players. And he probably knew it too from the beginning.


Man you and everybody else that has been ok with Klinsmann from the start, you can spin the first year and a half of Klinsmann's tenure however you want, but nothing was accomplished from it. The 4-2-3-1 was obvious to me from the get-go to play attacking soccer and I liked Klinsmann for the job because he had just done it with Germany!! Granted it was mostly masterminded by Low, but I know most people will ignore that.

So instead of preparing our players from the start in that formation, he wasted tons of valuable time on the 3 DMs formation. My guess, he had a lot of trouble identifying our players styles, strengths, and weaknesses.

I'm not saying we are, but the best teams in the world dont prepare for the World Cup in the 6 months or so after they qualify. They start the day after the last World Cup.

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