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Lilshmike
Post #1
Monday July 22, 2013 2:22pm

Joined Oct 2012
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The other Gold Cup forum was getting a little long so I thought it may be nice to start a new one.

Lilshmike
Post #2
Monday July 22, 2013 3:34pm

Joined Oct 2012
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In my opinion, Klinsmann doesn't need to change much. Here are my thoughts:

LM and Torres - Here is how to best describe Torres. He has his moments. There are times when he comes out of nowhere and makes a brilliant play, slips through a perfect pass, etc. But those moments are brief. For 80-90% of the game, it is as tho he isn't on the field. As far as playing LM, he isn't that fast and typically gets caught out of position by drifting too far in the middle. His only redeeming quality is that he is left footed. He has done well so far, but I would like to see Castillo at LM against Honduras because, assuming Mexico wins their game, Mexico is MUCH QUICKER (quicker, not faster. there is a difference) than us and we will need to have speed out wide to open up the field and develop the attack.

CDM - Beckerman should start. Klinsmann loves him. He is a good leader, he has done well so far and he deserves it. Diskerud has done well also. He should prob still start alongside Beckerman. If not him tho, Holden. In all honesty, those two are toss ups. Either or. HOWEVER, if at some time during the course of the game we need to make some attacking subs, I think we need to pair Holden and Diskerud in the middle.

Lilshmike
Post #3
Monday July 22, 2013 3:34pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Landon Donovan - After this last game, it has become very clear that Donovan needs to be in a position to receive the ball more. That position is not CAM. During the second half of the El Salvador game, when Donovan moved out right and played on that side, we were most effective in attack because he could get the ball and service it in to other players. Not only that, but he is such a deadly player that he attracts the defense to cover him more tightly. Donovan in RM means that there will be more space for players to get central in front of goal and create goalscoring chances.

Forwards - Wondolowski is doing what I feared he would. He did a lot against crap teams and has failed to do it against better opponents. To his defense, he hasn't had the best service the past two games, but I think that would change if Donovan was out at RM. I'm not disappointed about Gomez leaving. He and Wondolowski are essentially the same type of player. Not only that, but it makes sense since Gomez just made a move to another club. He needs to get himself established there more than he needs to be with the USMNT. Wondolowski should still start, leaving EJ on the bench. Eddie should come on a sub and provide speed and athleticism during the end of a game when the defense's legs are weak. Gordan is whatever. Provides the option for a big target man. He and Wondolowski are used to playing together so that should provide an edge. Could have been nice to see what McInerny could do, but whatever. We don't need him.

Lilshmike
Post #4
Monday July 22, 2013 3:35pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 511
Brek Shea - Good to see him playing a bit better the past couple of games. He looks like hes holding back tho. He seems afraid to take on players, which may have to do with coaches/whatever at Stoke this past season. He has been looking for the most conservative play and hasn't been the same "Brek" that we are used to. Not only that, but he seems to be holding back on his speed too. Before his injury, he had blistering pace and extremely quick feet. He still has it. His goal against Costa Rica displayed it. Look at the replay and see his acceleration on his run down field. Incredible. However, he hasn't been using his speed like he should. Idk if he is holding back from a full go because of his injury, but he is. He still has it and has yet to really put on the full burners.

Onyewu - Onyewu's time with the national team is not up. Klinsmann was going to call in Gonzalez. Gonzalez needs USMNT playing time more than Onyewu. Onyewu needs to figure out his club situation so he can still be a part of the national team. Klinsmann knows this. This is why Onyewu was sent home, so he could figure out his club situation instead of sitting on the bench for a couple of weeks.

Corey Ashe - I would have loved to have seen Corey Ashe play. He is the man. Extremely talented. Versatile. Good leader. Hard worker. He has played literally almost every position except goalkeeper during his career. He captained the youth national team as a forward. Houston had him as a forward originally but moved him to LM because of Brian Ching. Then they had Brad Davis at LM and moved him to LB because he is so good that they couldnt afford to not have him on the field so they found a place for him. Would have loved to have seen him get his first cap. He deserves it. But he said that he talked with Klinsmann and that he was very positive, saying that this wouldn't be his last time with the team and that he will be called into another camp sometime soon.

skangles
DC
Post #5
Tuesday July 23, 2013 1:17am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 2,095
Original post from Lilshmike

Forwards - Wondolowski is doing what I feared he would. He did a lot against crap teams and has failed to do it against better opponents. To his defense, he hasn't had the best service the past two games, but I think that would change if Donovan was out at RM. I'm not disappointed about Gomez leaving. He and Wondolowski are essentially the same type of player. Not only that, but it makes sense since Gomez just made a move to another club. He needs to get himself established there more than he needs to be with the USMNT. Wondolowski should still start, leaving EJ on the bench. Eddie should come on a sub and provide speed and athleticism during the end of a game when the defense's legs are weak. Gordan is whatever. Provides the option for a big target man. He and Wondolowski are used to playing together so that should provide an edge. Could have been nice to see what McInerny could do, but whatever. We don't need him.


I think it is important that both EJ and Wondo share playing time so that they are both fresh in the Final.

If we're going off of the classic Klinsmann statement of players needing to earn their way into the starting 11 then EJ clearly deserves it after the last game but I agree with your idea of having EJ tear it up against tired opposition. I don't really care who starts and who comes off the bench, I just don't want either one of them to go a full 90.

MSantoine
Post #6
Tuesday July 23, 2013 1:54am

Joined Nov 2012
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Id be shocked if EJ didnt start up top wednesday. They have plenty of time until the final (late sunday afternoon if I recall). He needs to get minutes to gel with guys like Corona, Mixx, Torres, Holden

Jzaval01
Post #7
Tuesday July 23, 2013 3:11am

Joined May 2013
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Lets be honest guys we are gonna beat honduras especially how i saw them defending very innocent. Its more about the final. How many of you are confident about playing Mexico? Personally I wanna see Mexico vs USA. I just feel the way ive seen Mexico play as of lately is very poor. If T&T knew how to counter better they would have won. ANyways USA not only has more talent at this Gold Cup but more experience with the deep depth. I would love nothing more than giving Mexico a beat down 5-0 as they took advantage of our really weak B team in 2009. Obviously we cant be as careless as we were with other teams because Mexico has better finishing then the likes of El Salvador but still Mexico just isnt there. Anyone agree a 5-0 beat down can be realistic or we will have to see how well the USA plays the Semis before making final predictions?

Red
NY
Post #8
Tuesday July 23, 2013 4:27am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 417
Jzaval01, if the US don't win the Gold Cup it would be a huge failure in my eyes. We have the best team, best coach(he is proving me wrong and making me eat crow) and anything short of Beasley and Donovan holding that Cup up at the end would be a failure.

Not only should we win this but I think you are spot on. We could humiliate any team we play but lets not count out Panama who Mexico will have to grind through.

dstones77
Hagerstown, MD
Post #9
Tuesday July 23, 2013 12:47pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 216
I see Panama with a win in penalties against Mexico, but you're right anything short of a win in the final by less than 2 goals is a disappointment (although hoisting the cup helps)

skangles
DC
Post #10
Tuesday July 23, 2013 1:17pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 2,095
So what is the starting 11?

-----------EJ---------
--------Baby Jesus------
---Torres-------Joe Benny-
-----Holden--Beckerman---
-Beas-Besler-Gonzo-Parkhurst-
---------Rimando-------

richieJkulesaNY
Post #11
Tuesday July 23, 2013 1:21pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 963
Original post from Lilshmike

In my opinion, Klinsmann doesn't need to change much. Here are my thoughts:

LM and Torres - Here is how to best describe Torres. He has his moments. There are times when he comes out of nowhere and makes a brilliant play, slips through a perfect pass, etc. But those moments are brief. For 80-90% of the game, it is as tho he isn't on the field. As far as playing LM, he isn't that fast and typically gets caught out of position by drifting too far in the middle. His only redeeming quality is that he is left footed. He has done well so far, but I would like to see Castillo at LM against Honduras because, assuming Mexico wins their game, Mexico is MUCH QUICKER (quicker, not faster. there is a difference) than us and we will need to have speed out wide to open up the field and develop the attack.

CDM - Beckerman should start. Klinsmann loves him. He is a good leader, he has done well so far and he deserves it. Diskerud has done well also. He should prob still start alongside Beckerman. If not him tho, Holden. In all honesty, those two are toss ups. Either or. HOWEVER, if at some time during the course of the game we need to make some attacking subs, I think we need to pair Holden and Diskerud in the middle.


Torres' role is to tuck in. While he seems out of the game most of the time, he's creating a TON of space for Beasley. Castillo is not technical enough to play LM.

I disagree with the CMs, the "either or" should be between Holden and Beckerman, not Holden and Diskerud. Holden is more defensive minded than people like to think, and he's better in possession than Beckerman. Mix is our best attack minded CM and he provides the necessary balance in the middle of the field. Holden and Beckerman would be redundant in the middle together.

MSantoine
Post #12
Tuesday July 23, 2013 3:04pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,231
Original post from skangles

So what is the starting 11?

------EJ-----
----Baby Jesus---
--Torres----Joe Benny-
---Holden-Beckerman--
-Beas-Besler-Gonzo-Parkhurst-
-----Rimando----


Holden wont start. He'll either sub in for Mixx if we are ahead or Beckerman if we are still tied around the 55 min mark

rainORshine
Post #13
Tuesday July 23, 2013 4:06pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,787
changes from QF i'll be looking for:

gonzo for goodson
- everyone expects this, however, i would not be surprised to see goodson return for the final... for besler or gonzo.

as for CB situation in general - i still think there is a very good chance that having bocanegra on the back line gives us best chance of winning games. ill take a bocanegra who has lost half a step to all of these guys

EJ for wondo
- wondo had his chance. i do not want to see him called in again. time to give other guys a shot. at international level, EJ is superior

shea for torres
- are you ever really going to consider torres as an option at LM in brazil? i find that hard to believe. shea has been underwhelming - but give him another shot

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #14
Tuesday July 23, 2013 4:06pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,254
US beats Honduras 3-1. Goals from Lando, EJ, and Corona.

Lilshmike
Post #15
Tuesday July 23, 2013 4:17pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 511
Original post from Jzaval01

Lets be honest guys we are gonna beat honduras especially how i saw them defending very innocent. Its more about the final. How many of you are confident about playing Mexico? Personally I wanna see Mexico vs USA. I just feel the way ive seen Mexico play as of lately is very poor. If T&T knew how to counter better they would have won. ANyways USA not only has more talent at this Gold Cup but more experience with the deep depth. I would love nothing more than giving Mexico a beat down 5-0 as they took advantage of our really weak B team in 2009. Obviously we cant be as careless as we were with other teams because Mexico has better finishing then the likes of El Salvador but still Mexico just isnt there. Anyone agree a 5-0 beat down can be realistic or we will have to see how well the USA plays the Semis before making final predictions?


I would much rather see us play Panama in the Gold Cup final because I think we would have a way better chance at beating them as opposed to Mexico.

But we need for Mexico to get to the final. If they don't, then it will make them, and the rest of CONCACAF, look weak. We need it to be Mexico v USA in the final to make our region of the world look better. That, and we need to win so that way we can prove to CONCACAF, and the rest of the world, that we run this region. We need to show that we are the kings of CONCACAF, not Mexico!

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