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Post #121
Friday December 18, 2015 3:53pm

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Original post from admsghs27

Nice will make that trip up north to Santa Clara. Don't know why the say San Francisco no stadium there lol. Hope we get a Colombia or chile or uruguay would love to see them also. I'm guessing the best pro crowd we get will be in Chicago since is close by KC and Ohio. might get outnumbered in fans in the east and west depending if we play a south american team.
See you there Tonto...

Never once seen a really pro USA crowd in Chicago (Panama, Honduras, Mexico all had at least even attendance), but this is CONMEBOLs tournament so it's only fair we play in a "neutral venue". Much more chance for a pro USA crowd in Bay Area, and even Philadelphia. Close to KC and Ohio you say? Make a trip to the Midwest someday doofus.

cleancutimage
Post #122
Friday December 18, 2015 4:07pm

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Original post from admsghs27

Nice will make that trip up north to Santa Clara. Don't know why the say San Francisco no stadium there lol. Hope we get a Colombia or chile or uruguay would love to see them also. I'm guessing the best pro crowd we get will be in Chicago since is close by KC and Ohio. might get outnumbered in fans in the east and west depending if we play a south american team.


Hmm...make that trip up north to Santa Clara, why? Is that the closest venue to where you stay in Guatemala?

Jzaval01
Post #123
Saturday December 19, 2015 7:49pm

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Original post from skangles

US are seeded in Group A and will play their group games in

  • San Francisco on June 3
  • Chicago on June 7
  • Philly on June 11


If the US wins the group they'll play in Seattle on June 16. If they finish second in the group they'll play at Metlife on June 17. If they make the semi-finals they will play in Houston on June 21. The final is at Metlife on June 26.

The other seeded teams are Brazil (B), Mexico (C) and Argentina (D).


We need to try and win the group. Depending on the opponent if we come 2nd we could be playing an away game in our on turf with so many hispanics around metlife NY/NJ.
Playing in Seattle with a pro USA crowd would be amazing against one of the South American teams.
If we played in Seattle what is the estimation in percent that would be pro american?

cleancutimage
Post #124
Saturday December 19, 2015 8:48pm

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Original post from Jzaval01

We need to try and win the group. Depending on the opponent if we come 2nd we could be playing an away game in our on turf with so many hispanics around metlife NY/NJ.
Playing in Seattle with a pro USA crowd would be amazing against one of the South American teams.
If we played in Seattle what is the estimation in percent that would be pro american?


Seattle is one of the Whitest major cities in the US. I think around 70%. The estimation is 90%. Only chance Seattle has at not having a pro-American crowd is vs. Mexico. But the Hispanic percentage is around 7%.

I was raised in Seattle and do not remember too many kids, if any from Hispanic countries other than Mexico growing up.

So, Seattle would definitely be pro-USA. The only thing that is deceptive is how many of that 70% attend vs. that 7% Hispanic? I imagine a higher percentage of the latter demographic would attend a match relative to the former.

skangles
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Post #125
Wednesday January 6, 2016 4:13am

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I am really looking forward to the start of Copa America on Friday (well, play in games at least).

Univision Deportes will be showing the games. Panama vs Cuba is first at 5:30pm Eastern and T&T vs Haiti is on tape delay at 10:30pm Eastern in order to show Liga MX live. The actual T&T vs Haiti game will start at 8:30pm.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #126
Friday January 8, 2016 12:58am

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MLS on a two week break from June 3rd to June 17th

skangles
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Post #127
Friday January 8, 2016 5:40am

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When Copa America centenario was announced Conmebol and Concacaf adamant that the format would be a one-off event.

Now that a swathe of Conmebol and Concacaf officials have gone down in the corruption scandal I hope that the new leaders will make it a recurring tournament once they see how successful the tournament will be this summer.

For any given cycle I would love to see:

Year 1: Gold Cup / South American Copa America
Year 2: Joint Copa America
Year 3: Confederations Cup
Year 4: World Cup

Sticking with the newly rolled out format in Concacaf the winner of the joint Copa America would play the winner of the previous year's tournament from their region in an one off playoff to qualify Confederations Cup

Speaking of corruption, Paraguayan officials have raided Conmebol.

MSantoine
Post #128
Friday January 8, 2016 12:37pm

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Original post from skangles

When Copa America centenario was announced Conmebol and Concacaf adamant that the format would be a one-off event.

Now that a swathe of Conmebol and Concacaf officials have gone down in the corruption scandal I hope that the new leaders will make it a recurring tournament once they see how successful the tournament will be this summer.

For any given cycle I would love to see:

Year 1: Gold Cup / South American Copa America
Year 2: Joint Copa America
Year 3: Confederations Cup
Year 4: World Cup

Sticking with the newly rolled out format in Concacaf the winner of the joint Copa America would play the winner of the previous year's tournament from their region in an one off playoff to qualify Confederations Cup

Speaking of corruption, Paraguayan officials have raided Conmebol.


I like the thought but my fear would be that South American clubs, and eventually US and Mexico treat the Copa like a glorified friendly tourney. I know its pie in the sky and will never happen due to money but Id like to see us eliminate the gold cup altogether. Why cant it be the following. In my idea either 20-24 teams would be in Copa since its the only confed tourney in the cycle:

Year 1: CONCACAF qualifying for Copa (assuming all 10 South American teams auto qualify so that they can have their couple rounds of WCQ to fit in the 18 game schedule).

Note CONCACAF can treat this year 1 of two ways. Option 1 would be change WCQ so that early there's less rounds so theres time for this, option 2 would be to leave WCQ as is and double the first rounds of WCQ to act also as Copa qualifying (note Asia and OFC do something similar). If 10 CONCACAF teams it would be the 6 that get byes to 4th round (US, Mexico, CR, Panama, Honduras, T&T this year) and then change the 3rd round back into 4 groups of 3 teams where all group winners qualify for next round of WCQ and Copa, group runner ups also qualify for Copa but play a one-off match to make WCQ next round.

Year 2: Copa
Year 3 Confed
Year 4 World Cup

skangles
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Post #129
Friday January 8, 2016 6:28pm

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That would work for me but as you said I also doubt that Concacaf would want to give up the cash grab that is the Gold Cup. Conmebol probably would also want to continue with the twice every cycle tournament concept for the revenue that it generates.

Either way I'm not too bothered, I just want the joint Copa America to happen every 4 years.

USAGunner
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Post #130
Friday January 8, 2016 7:20pm

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You can forget South American and/or North America doing away with their individual confederation tournaments.
My hope and best case scenario is that Year 2 of a World Cup cycle is for the Combined Copa America (can call it something different). Use the previous years finishing at the Confederations cups to determine who is in. Perhaps top 4 from each confederation get automatic berths, then have a series of playoff games for the final 8 spots. Those 16 teams vying for the final 8 spots would go to the 6 remaining South American teams (can not face each other), the Finals teams from the Central American championship (unless already qualified via Gold Cup), the Finals teams from the Carribbean championship (Unless already qualified via Gold Cup), for however many spots are available take them according to how they finished in Gold Cup.

So this year would be:
1-Mexico
2-USA
3-Jamaica
4-Panama
5-Chile
6-Argentina
7-Peru
8-Paraguay
As the Automatic Qualifiers
1-Urugay
2-Bolivia
3-Brazil
4-Colombia
5-Ecuador
6-Venezuela
7-Costa Rica
8-Guatemala
9-Trinidad and Tobago
10-Cuba
11-Haiti
12-El Salvador
13-Canada
14-Honduras
15-Nicaragua (next highest Central American team)
16-French Guiana (next highest Caribbean team).

Could also invite other confederation teams (CAF, UEFA, AFC) to take that last spot instead of adding Nicaragua and French Guiana. Would add a better team, even though it would have to be a team that didn't make their confederations championship (as all the other confederations run their championships in year 2). Which would still be able to get Netherlands, Scotland, Slovenia, Denmark, Norway, Bosnia. Which would all be way better than those other teams.

So play in games could be Uruguay v French Guiana, Bolivia v Costa Rica, Brazil v Honduras, Colombia v Cuba, Ecuador v Trinidad, Venezuela v Haiti, Guatemala v El Salvador, Nicaragua v Canada

Which would be Uruguay, Costa Rica, Brazil, Colombia, Ecuador, Venezuela, El Salvador, Canada.

From there divide them into 4 groups of 4. Top 2 in each group advance to knock out stages.
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Post #131
Friday January 8, 2016 8:02pm

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To keep the groups equitable, it would have to be 16 teams...8 from each.

There are already too many qualifiers. To determine teams, a point system can be created granting points for wins in the previous WCQ and Federation cup (3 points for a WCQ win, one for a WCQ tie, 3 points for a federation cup group win, 4 points for a federation cup elimination game win, one point for federation cup group tie).

2tone
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Post #132
Saturday January 9, 2016 7:30am

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So Concacaf is set:

Haiti beat T&T 1-0

Panama beat Cuba 4-0

Concacaf:
USA
Mexico
Costa Rica
Jamaica
Haiti
Panama

blaise213
Post #133
Saturday January 9, 2016 8:38am

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No Canada ?

tylercocinas
Post #134
Saturday January 9, 2016 3:50pm

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Total Posts: 1,088
Original post from blaise213

No Canada ?


Based on 2015 Gold Cup performance they did not qualify for the 4 team playoff

skangles
DC
Post #135
Saturday January 9, 2016 8:55pm

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Total Posts: 5,133
Just finished watching the Panama game. It's a shame that T&T couldn't bring in Kenwyne Jones for their game against Haiti but I think Haiti's recent success is a good thing for Concacaf.

I can't wait for this tournament. I am going to do my best to go to US vs A4 in Philly. I wish they would be better at communicating the timeline for the tournament. I can't find any word on when the draw will be held for the unseeded teams.

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