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TheTruth
Post #151
Monday February 22, 2016 11:43pm

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No, it's not the toughest group. No one in our group is better than Chile or Argentina, who happen to be in the same group.

2nd toughest group. Just like the World Cup. Get over it that it's not the dazzling headline you want.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #152
Tuesday February 23, 2016 12:46am

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My idea of a tough group or a "group of death" is where all 4 teams have a fairly equal or at least a realistic shot at getting out of the group. I would say that Costa Rica and Paraguay both have a realistic shot at getting out of the group. I don't believe that Panama or Bolivia have a realistic chance. I think this makes group A much tougher than group D.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #153
Tuesday February 23, 2016 1:57am

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Should be fun to watch. Can't wait!

cleancutimage
Post #154
Tuesday February 23, 2016 4:18am

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I found it interesting that someone on another site compared the US group in WC 2014 to their group and this tournament and said he had to pick which group the US would likely make it out of it would be this Copa America group. At first I thought it would be a long shot but I feel like if we could make it out of a WC group with Germany, Ghana and Portugal then we definitely can make it out this group. It will not be easy but it is very doable.

Germany is a lot better than Colombia, Portugal is better than Paraguay and Ghana is on par or slightly better than Costa Rica, I would say slightly better over on par.

MSantoine
Post #155
Tuesday February 23, 2016 12:19pm

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The reason its considered the group of death is if you were going to pick the Pot 3 team you'd prefer to avoid you'd pick Costa Rica. If you were to pick the pot 4 team to avoid you'd pick Paraguay. In Pot 2 Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Uruguay are all fairly close to each other. Yes Chile is highest FIFA rated but Colombia has best individual talent, Eduador playing the best in last 12 months, and Uruguay most history. Since 2 teams advance its all about beating Pot 3 & Pot 4 opponents. US clearly got the hardest opponents in not just one but both groups. Thats why its the group of death.

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #156
Tuesday February 23, 2016 3:47pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 569
Original post from TheTruth

No, it's not the toughest group. No one in our group is better than Chile or Argentina, who happen to be in the same group.

2nd toughest group. Just like the World Cup. Get over it that it's not the dazzling headline you want.

I thought the same. I was kind of shocked by the response on here. I don't really think it's that bad at all. I think we can get out of the group (best case) with 2 wins and a draw. But I def think we will advance.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #157
Tuesday February 23, 2016 6:06pm

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It is definitely the toughest group. But one we can certainly get out of, and certainly not a Group of Death.
A Group of Death implies that a team that would live in any other group will have to die (IE 3 teams that would advance in any other group, but only 2 can advance).

Costa Rica would likely advance in B, Maybe in C, would probably not advance in D. USA is probably the same way, and so is Columbia. That is under the impression if all teams brought their A Squads.

The other Groups Haiti, Jamaica, Panama, Peru, Venezuela, Bolivia would all have very low chances of advancing in their groups and other groups.

So Copa America does not have a Group of Death.
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kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #158
Tuesday February 23, 2016 7:35pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 569
Original post from USAGunner

It is definitely the toughest group. But one we can certainly get out of, and certainly not a Group of Death.
A Group of Death implies that a team that would live in any other group will have to die (IE 3 teams that would advance in any other group, but only 2 can advance).

Costa Rica would likely advance in B, Maybe in C, would probably not advance in D. USA is probably the same way, and so is Columbia. That is under the impression if all teams brought their A Squads.

The other Groups Haiti, Jamaica, Panama, Peru, Venezuela, Bolivia would all have very low chances of advancing in their groups and other groups.

So Copa America does not have a Group of Death.

Yeah I see groups of death as having 3 really solid teams that would typically be favored in any match unless playing the other 1 or 2 teams in said group, leaving one at home. AKA death. Soooo I guess I pretty much just said the same things as you. lol

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #159
Tuesday February 23, 2016 7:37pm

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in a similar vein, GoD's are pretty rare. Many are given the name, few are truly that.
I'll also expand it to saying that it could also be 4 teams that would reasonably be expected to advance in at least a third of the other groups.

I'll put it into numerical terms:

3 teams that would be expected or favored to advance in at least 75% of the groups.
or
4 teams that would be expected or favored to advance in at least 33% of the groups.
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MSantoine
Post #160
Tuesday February 23, 2016 8:03pm

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Group of Death is a term for the hardest group for a favorite. IE of the seeded teams which group would they prefer not to be in. No way Brazil, Mexico, or Argentina would want to swap groups with us. Costa Rica and Paraguay are really the only Pot 3/4 teams that would have any hope of advancing out of knockout rounds. Peru, Panama, Jamaica, Haiti, Venezuela, Bolivia pretty much hope to not go home with zero points. None realistically are expected to make the semis with advancing to knockout rounds really the peak of their results (I guess you could argue Venezuela as a dark horse but still).

To me being in the least desirable group from all seeded teams is what makes it the group of death.

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #161
Wednesday February 24, 2016 7:49pm

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Pretty interesting looking at the 2015 tournament. Peru finished 3rd beating Paraguay in the 3rd place match. Peru also had the joint top goal scorer of the competition. Bolivia advanced from a group with Chile, Mexico and Ecuador and Paraguay knocked out Brazil on pens in the quarter finals. Sounds like no one should sleep on Peru or Bolivia and the Paraguay game for the US is paramount. They were one of three teams not to lose a game in the group stage last year. The other two played in the finals match...

MSantoine
Post #162
Wednesday February 24, 2016 9:04pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from kicksNgiggles10

Pretty interesting looking at the 2015 tournament. Peru finished 3rd beating Paraguay in the 3rd place match. Peru also had the joint top goal scorer of the competition. Bolivia advanced from a group with Chile, Mexico and Ecuador and Paraguay knocked out Brazil on pens in the quarter finals. Sounds like no one should sleep on Peru or Bolivia and the Paraguay game for the US is paramount. They were one of three teams not to lose a game in the group stage last year. The other two played in the finals match...


Every country has a lucky tourney every now and then. Look at the current WCQ.

Peru- 1-0-3. minus 5 GD. Only win was at home vs Paraguay (1-0).
Venezuela- 0-0-4. minus 7 GD
Bolivia- 1-0-3. minus 3 GD. Only win at home vs Veneuela (scored 4 of 5 total goals in that game).

Paraguay- 2-1-1, Plus 1 GD. Drew with Argentina.

In WCQ Peru, Veneuela, & Bolivia have finished as 3 of the bottom 4 teams in every cycle since 1998, when peru finished 5th (Bolivia & Venezuela were bottom 2 teams). Paraguay has qualified for every World Cup final except last World Cup since '94 (coincidentally the last time Bolivia qualified). We all know Venezuela has never qualified. Peru hasnt been there since '82.

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #163
Thursday February 25, 2016 12:48am

Joined Oct 2012
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Lol fair enough.

TheTruth
Post #164
Thursday February 25, 2016 6:25pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
This is one of the many discussions on these forums where it seems as if half the people on here are 5 years old and they've never seen a WC or Copa America before. Crazy shit happens in these things guys.

The only locks to make it out of the group in any tournament are Brazil, Argentina, and Germany. And I know people will say I'm fucking nuts, but I put Mexico very, very closely behind these 3 teams as a lock - they just get it done every time.

coverby
Post #165
Thursday February 25, 2016 7:47pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 497
Original post from TheTruth

This is one of the many discussions on these forums where it seems as if half the people on here are 5 years old and they've never seen a WC or Copa America before. Crazy shit happens in these things guys.

The only locks to make it out of the group in any tournament are Brazil, Argentina, and Germany. And I know people will say I'm fucking nuts, but I put Mexico very, very closely behind these 3 teams as a lock - they just get it done every time.


Well except World Cup 2002 for Argentina.

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