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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #1
Thursday July 18, 2013 4:58pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Sure bets for attacking middies/wingers

Deuce and Lando

One foot in the door:

Fabian: If Klinsmann can find a LB then Fabian should and will be moved to LW permanently.

Zusi: Klinsmann favors him, and no other winger has really shown well.

Contenders:

Shea: Needs to show that he can play consitently with Stoke this season.

Pontius: He has the potential. He deserves a few call-ups this year leading up to the WC.

Gatt: Injury prone. Has a lot of work ahead of him to be considered for the WC team.

Castillo: Klinsmann looks to prefer him at LW instead of LB, but he needs to show much better to get that WC berth.

Corona: Very close to competing with the first team of the USMNT. But with that being said he is not a winger. He lacks pace and has mediocre 1v1 skills. He is much better as a passing/distributing CM.

Bedoya: Is much better as a CAM. Doesn't have the 1v1 skills to be an effective winger.

Wooten: He can play as a winger or as a striker. This could be a very important year for him with Kaiserslautern.

Wood: Same as Wooten. Important year with 1860.

So my 4 Wingers/Attacking middies taken to the WC are: Deuce, Lando, Fabian, and Zusi.

MSantoine
Post #2
Thursday July 18, 2013 5:14pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Its interesting to see that we clearly have two groups of people after Dempsey.
Those not quite good enough to be starters on a quaterfinalist caliber team:
Zusi, Castillo, bedoya, Lando (last two cups yes, this one no)
And those youngsters that have a chance to be that calbier but definitely not there yet:
Shea, Corona, Wooten, Wood

Also with the fluidity of our formation its hard to seperate some guys from strikers/wingers/attacking mids. That flexibility could be the deciding factor for certain guys and determine how many wingers or cms, or strikers, etc we take. That said, sticking with just 4 guys I think we'll bring the following guys to Brazil:

Dempsey, Lando, Shea, Corona

Corona offers the flexibility to tuck inside if suspensions/injuries hit. Flexibility is good to have as a reserve. I think if (and its a huge if) Shea becomes a regular starter for Stoke then you could see him and Lando start on the wings and Fab move back to fullback. I think Fab goes from being a good LW to being a great LB in our system

CS10
Post #3
Thursday July 18, 2013 5:17pm

Joined Feb 2013
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Lletget if he gets playing time with West Ham. He's getting rave reviews in there pre season. Would be perfect sub for Dempsey.

skangles
DC
Post #4
Thursday July 18, 2013 5:47pm

Joined Jan 2013
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EJ should be on your list. He's not a winger but that's where Klinsmann has been playing him and I think he has a better shot to make the World Cup squad than a lot of players on your list.

rainORshine
Post #5
Thursday July 18, 2013 6:12pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,768
um, dont we need more than 4 guys to cover 3 positions?

as of the moment:
in
1) dempsey
2) donovan
3) fabian - id play him at LB
4) zusi
5) corona

out
6) shea
7) bedoya
8) gatt

dont really see anyone else contending for these spots

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #6
Thursday July 18, 2013 8:19pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Original post from rainORshine

um, dont we need more than 4 guys to cover 3 positions?

as of the moment:
in
1) dempsey
2) donovan
3) fabian - id play him at LB
4) zusi
5) corona

out
6) shea
7) bedoya
8) gatt

dont really see anyone else contending for these spots


I am going with 4 FWDS, 4 wingers/attacking middies, 4 CM's, 8 defenders, and 3 goalies for a final 23 man roster. You on the other hand have gone with 3 strikers, 5 Cm's, and now 5 wingers/attacking middies. Which leaves 10 slots open for 7 defenders and 3 goalies.

Mine is based on versatility of some players like Holden who can play either RW or LW if needed and Agudelo and EJ can do the same from my striker corps.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #7
Thursday July 18, 2013 8:20pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 4,680
Original post from skangles

EJ should be on your list. He's not a winger but that's where Klinsmann has been playing him and I think he has a better shot to make the World Cup squad than a lot of players on your list.


I put EJ with the strikers because ultimately I see him making the team as a FWD.

rainORshine
Post #8
Thursday July 18, 2013 8:50pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,768
Original post from 2tone

I am going with 4 FWDS, 4 wingers/attacking middies, 4 CM's, 8 defenders, and 3 goalies for a final 23 man roster. You on the other hand have gone with 3 strikers, 5 Cm's, and now 5 wingers/attacking middies. Which leaves 10 slots open for 7 defenders and 3 goalies.

Mine is based on versatility of some players like Holden who can play either RW or LW if needed and Agudelo and EJ can do the same from my striker corps.


yea, positions aside, agudelo has a long way to go to put himself in position to make the team. the only realistic path i see is
a) he gets healthy
b) he starts playing really well again
c) US qualifies early
d) he is called in for the last WCQ camp

january might be too late for him

Damarcus_Deuce_Altid
Detroit, MI
Post #9
Thursday July 18, 2013 8:54pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 9
Original post from skangles

EJ should be on your list. He's not a winger but that's where Klinsmann has been playing him and I think he has a better shot to make the World Cup squad than a lot of players on your list.


I agree with this. And I think it's precisely the fact that EJ can play striker, as well, that he gets included. JK doesn't seem to like him up top, but he does like guys who can play multiple positions (Cameron, FJ, Evans).

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #10
Thursday July 18, 2013 9:04pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 925
2tone how do you rate Pontius compared to Shea? Shea has worn the US jersey but to me, at least as far as impact on the game goes, as well as playing time, Pontius has the upper hand. I'm not saying he deserves to go to Brazil but for me I think it's a bit harsh he hasn't gotten the recognition he deserves, however I understand considering DC has been less than spectacular this season.

navi8132
Post #11
Thursday July 18, 2013 11:40pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,860
Essentially we have no wingers come Brazil. I hope Wood, Pontius, and Wooten get looks before Brazil (none are true wingers per se)

bbakerxyz
Post #12
Friday July 19, 2013 3:29pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 237
We're short on wingers so I think Shea has a better chance of going than, say, Corona. I'd even take Torres over Corona. Holden is on the list too. He can play attacking mid and wide. Gatt's probably done. DMB is a lock because he can play left back and left mid. Fabian is a lock for the same reason. Castillo hasn't done jack shit in a USMNT jersey. He ran out of chances a couple of games ago if you ask me, but I guess if Shea is going to keep dicking around then Castillo has a shot.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #13
Friday July 19, 2013 4:32pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 892
Original post from Damarcus_Deuce_Altid

I agree with this. And I think it's precisely the fact that EJ can play striker, as well, that he gets included. JK doesn't seem to like him up top, but he does like guys who can play multiple positions (Cameron, FJ, Evans).


I think you have it backwards. EJ is a forward that CAN play on the wing, and only out of necessity. He is not a good passer and he doesnt defend well. He hasnt had an actual good game on the wing. You can get away with that at home against Panama and the likes. The only way he makes the World Cup squad is as a forward.

Personally, I think 3 forwards is enough, especially when you have Donovan and Dempsey as 2 of the 5 attacking midfielders.

Donovan, Dempsey, Zusi, Corona, Shea

Its tough to see, but I think Shea can break through this rust and get consistent minutes at Stoke. Im not very confident about it though. I think if Shea falls out of favor, its Bedoya that slides in.

MSantoine
Post #14
Friday July 19, 2013 4:55pm

Joined Nov 2012
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I actually find it funny that besides the locks like Dempsey, Jozy, MB, Fab that the easiest guy to predict is Shea. His path is very clear and black and white. If he earns a spot in Stokes lineup he's a lock. If he doesnt and is relegated to sporadic bench appearances he's out.