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Post #1
Tuesday July 16, 2013 5:12pm

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There is no doubt about it that Liga MX is a better league than MLS. I am not debating that. But after watching Mexico's home grown golden age burn and bust this year and how USMNT has been soaring that majorly has MLSers and players with MLS experience, got me thinking. Is it possible that MLS actually produces better players for Europe and for International play. I could be totally wrong and feel free to say I am. It just looks like that USMNT, Honduras, Haiti, T&T, and Panama and Costa Rica to an extent all have a MLS presence and they all have looked more threatening at times than Mexico whose team is purely domestic

dolcem
Post #2
Tuesday July 16, 2013 5:31pm

Joined Nov 2012
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I think a big reason the MLS sends more players to Europe than Liga MX is that there are a lot of really quality Mexican players that stay in Liga MX because the salaries are so high.

But I do I think American players are more European in terms of their style than the Mexican ones are and might have an easier time adjusting to the game there.

The Mexican players that do go overseas, however, are a lot of more polished than the MLS ones. You get guys like Chicharito who go straight to ManU or even our own Jose Torres was going to be purchased by Valencia until he hurt his foot. The MLS isn't quite to the level where we're shipping over field players to elite teams and I don't think it will be until we improve the style of play (this is what really separates us from a league like the Liga MX).

The other thing is that it is tough to say that the recent failures of the Mexican NT reflect poorly on Liga MX. Before this year everyone was talking about how great the Liga MX is becoming (and it is improving a lot, it looks like the Mexicans are finally getting their act together regarding their youth system). With national teams, the most important thing is 'team spirit' or whatever you want to call it. They only get to practice a few weeks out of the year, there are a lot of technical problems with many teams (it's not like a club team where you can pick your players), and the competition is more spread out. The 'energy' the team has is incredibly important and can make the slight difference that can decide soccer games. It explains why teams like France and England have struggled in recent years (horrible team chemistry). Mexico often has a lot of problems like this. They've had scandals in recent years and some really bad locker room personalities (Vela, Dos Santos, among many). They're also way overconfident and the media situation is ridiculous (we're lucky in the US that our soccer media is pretty underdeveloped and we don't have to deal with too much unfounded criticism, although I hope that Strauss article wasn't any sort of precedent).

This is another reason we're really lucky to have Klinsmann. It's his forte. He took a German team that was at an historic low and constantly being crucified by the media into a team that was hungry and positive and played like it. He's an expert motivator, which means more than just motivating players to try hard: it's giving them confidence and helping build positive vibes among the players on and off the field. Sounds like a bunch of new age BS but from what I've seen in soccer (especially national teams) it seems to be true.

The fact that we've been playing well with MLS players recently doesn't necessarily bode well for the MLS as a whole, I think we're just on a hot streak right now playing above our level. But aside from our national team form it is obvious that the MLS is improving every year. Look at the young talent that is starting to come through the league: players like Villarreal, Yedlin, etc. I have a feeling that a lot of them won't turn out while some other relatively unheard of, hustle-type players will, but the fact is that the overall quality is improving a lot and we're going to continue to start seeing better and better players.
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Jzaval01
Post #3
Tuesday July 16, 2013 6:07pm

Joined May 2013
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For now LIga MX is better and produces a higher talent for the soul fact that many south americans play in Mexico. This challenges the mexican youngsters. MLS has south american but there are more of Caribbean, central and American, mexican. With all that being said MLS has the potential to be bigger and better than Liga MX and we see very evident improvement every year. The fails of Mexico is more of the coach in my guess.

Jzaval01
Post #4
Tuesday July 16, 2013 6:38pm

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Just think Yedlin from Sounders in U20 world cup and see that talent is being produced to eventually challenge Liga BBVA EPL SERIA A and BUNDESLIGA

tylercocinas
Post #5
Tuesday July 16, 2013 9:13pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 950
Original post from Jzaval01

Just think Yedlin from Sounders in U20 world cup and see that talent is being produced to eventually challenge Liga BBVA EPL SERIA A and BUNDESLIGA


Strong words. League-wide, much improvement needs to take place between now and "eventually."

skangles
DC
Post #6
Wednesday July 17, 2013 10:38am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 4,520
One of the strengths of both the MLS and Liga MX is the relative parity across the teams in each league. You see different teams rotating as the powerhouse squads in both leagues and it is difficult to stay on top which makes each league more competitive.

blaise213
San Francisco CA
Post #7
Thursday May 12, 2016 1:48am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,260
Liga MX is better than Major League Soccer right now - Don Garber

http://www.espnfc.us/major-league-soccer/stor...

Simple fix. 5 DP's and raise the salary cap

skangles
DC
Post #8
Thursday May 12, 2016 3:11am

Joined Jan 2013
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I agree with his statements and I am glad that he isn't delusional.

TheTruth
Post #9
Thursday May 12, 2016 3:27am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 743
Original post from nolefansandy

There is no doubt about it that Liga MX is a better league than MLS. I am not debating that. But after watching Mexico's home grown golden age burn and bust this year and how USMNT has been soaring that majorly has MLSers and players with MLS experience, got me thinking. Is it possible that MLS actually produces better players for Europe and for International play. I could be totally wrong and feel free to say I am. It just looks like that USMNT, Honduras, Haiti, T&T, and Panama and Costa Rica to an extent all have a MLS presence and they all have looked more threatening at times than Mexico whose team is purely domestic


Yeah, you're wrong on some of what I think you're insinuating. Mehico makes it through the group stages of every WC. You can bank on it. You can say the same for very, very few countries.

admsghs27
Post #10
Thursday May 12, 2016 6:49am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 5,563
You can make an argument liga mx is 5th best in the World.

dolcem
Post #11
Thursday May 12, 2016 6:22pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,526
Original post from blaise213

Liga MX is better than Major League Soccer right now - Don Garber

http://www.espnfc.us/major-league-soccer/stor...

Simple fix. 5 DP's and raise the salary cap


Dude. If you pay the Americans that make up the bulk of the quad more money they won't magically become better. And even if you have 5 really good players, if the other 20 are mediocre, you won't be very good. This isn't baseball or football. They say that a soccer team is only as good as its worst player, and while that may be an exaggeration, you can't just sprinkle on a couple of stars and expect the team to play well. In soccer, good players need good players around them to be able to function well.

Original post from TheTruth

Yeah, you're wrong on some of what I think you're insinuating. Mehico makes it through the group stages of every WC. You can bank on it. You can say the same for very, very few countries.


But even though they've hosted two World Cups they've never even made it to a semi final. And aside from Brazil I think they're the second most populous soccer crazy nation, yet they've only produced two really good players (Sanchez and Marquez). Sure, they've accomplished more than we have, but they're not some sort of powerhouse.

Original post from admsghs27

You can make an argument liga mx is 5th best in the World.


Look, we know that you/Live490 are a closet Mexico fan but you cannot make that argument. No one outside of Mexico thinks Liga MX is on the same level as Ligue 1, the Argentine league, or the Brazilian league. Until a Mexican team actually wins the Libertadores, you can't even consider ranking Liga MX above the Argentine or Brazilian league. I remember how confident all of the Mexicans were about Tigres last year, about how it was a "plantel europeo" and that they were the best team in the Americas and how much their payroll was, etc. etc. And then they went up against River Plate in the final and they just didn't know how to play against that level of opposition. They completely lacked confidence and a sense of direction, and it was clear they were not on the level of River Plate, who by the way, since that beat down, have been shockingly bad.

Money does not equal quality. Liga MX is one of the most lucrative leagues in the world and the players are way overpaid, but that doesn't make them any better. You average Mexican Liga MX player is just not as good as your average Argentine or Brazilian. Nowhere near. And sprinkling on foreign players and managers won't make that base any better. This is why the whole "pay them more and allow for more DP's" is just not a sound strategy for the MLS.
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admsghs27
Post #12
Thursday May 12, 2016 7:02pm

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@Dolcem Ginac from tigres saod Liga mx is s better than Ligue 1 and he played there for 10 years and he will most. Likely be with France for the Euro cup. Other than the big clubs like PSG, Ajax Liga MX is better overall from top to bottom.

dolcem
Post #13
Thursday May 12, 2016 7:28pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,526
Original post from admsghs27

@Dolcem Ginac from tigres saod Liga mx is s better than Ligue 1 and he played there for 10 years and he will most. Likely be with France for the Euro cup. Other than the big clubs like PSG, Ajax Liga MX is better overall from top to bottom.


Yeah and he never scored half as many goals in France as he did in Mexico.

What would you expect him to say to the press anyway?

Ligue 1 REGULARLY produces world class talent. Players that in their first season in England or Spain completely dominate. Only two really good players ever have come out of Liga MX. There's absolutely no comparison.

Ajax is in Holland; shows how much you know about European soccer.
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kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #14
Thursday May 12, 2016 8:22pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 524
Original post from dolcem

Ligue 1 REGULARLY produces world class talent. Players that in their first season in England or Spain completely dominate. Only two really good players ever have come out of Liga MX. There's absolutely no comparison.

Speaking of....BVB just signed Ousmane Dembele, an 18 y/o from Rennes (Ligue 1-just to clarify.....) for 15 million euros. Which many are saying is a bargain.

More competition for CP22

Live490
Texas
Post #15
Thursday May 12, 2016 10:06pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 968
I hate México! But i can acknowledge Hugo Sanchez was more than just a "very good" player. Lol he is up there on the best fwds ever. Better than our stupid coach. 5 pichichis and say he was just really good is stupid. Even Marquez was one of the best defenders, if not the best in his prime. And i hate to defend mexico and it's league but it's a lot easier to transition when youre from a european country to become a world class talent than from Mexico. Aside from Zidanes France, they haven't really done shit and played so so. Mexico in brazil was top 3.

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