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navi8132
Post #46
Thursday July 18, 2013 3:20pm

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Will Chris Pontius never see the light of day with this team? He could HELP us

CBoyd3142
Probably far from where you are...
Post #47
Thursday July 18, 2013 3:46pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Original post from richieJkulesaNY

The complaint is Alan Gordon is not a good soccer player. I personally dont care that he was called in, because I dont think he's sees the field. But there is a better way to use that roster spot. Between Wondo, EJ, and Bruin, the forward position is covered. Would of made more sense to bring in a wide midfielder. But why do something that makes sense?


I can personally think of several players more fit than Gordon to come in - that's obvious. I won't, however, say he's a bad player. I don't follow him at club level but he's clearly not THAT bad to be called up into this tournament. He's a fairly big guy and size is a premium in this tournament - look how successful we've been on set pieces in the offensive third.

Again, he'll probably sit on the bench most or all of the remaining games and sure, Zusi, Wood and many others would've been more appropriate choices. I don't pretend to understand JK but there are likely several other factors that could've played into this decision as well (clubs refusing to release players, injury, personal reasons, etc.) - until Gordon walks out there and kicks a ball into his own net, I'm not worried about it. Like you said (and I said before), the top is sorted out and he's unlikely to see the pitch. But, if he does, I don't see the need for a freak out.
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dstones77
Hagerstown, MD
Post #48
Thursday July 18, 2013 3:59pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 216
3 of the 4 matter Gordon will never see the field ahead of EJ or Wondo let it go. Pontuis wouldn't have even seen the field.

All right decisions in my opinion although I am surprised to see Shea and Mix stay especially Shea.. the team is lining up just fine, like others said I wouldn't be surprised to see Goodson step in for a potentionally poor Gonzo. and start EJ up top please.

-------EJ-------

Shea---LD---Corona

---Holden-Mix----

DMB-Besler-Gonzo-Parkhurst(I guess)

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #49
Thursday July 18, 2013 4:00pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Gonzo isn't being released by LA until the Semis.

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #50
Thursday July 18, 2013 4:14pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 331
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

ALOLan Gordon. I swear this national team comes across as a clique sometimes.

He has 1 cap. Don't really think that makes him part of a clique.
We are going to Brazil
recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #51
Thursday July 18, 2013 4:59pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,105
Original post from dstones77

3 of the 4 matter Gordon will never see the field ahead of EJ or Wondo let it go. Pontuis wouldn't have even seen the field.

All right decisions in my opinion although I am surprised to see Shea and Mix stay especially Shea.. the team is lining up just fine, like others said I wouldn't be surprised to see Goodson step in for a potentionally poor Gonzo. and start EJ up top please.

----EJ----

Shea--LD--Corona

--Holden-Mix--

DMB-Besler-Gonzo-Parkhurst(I guess)


I can see that, absolutely...bit of a tossup on the Beltran vs. Parkhurst selection but everything else seems pretty spot on.

MSantoine
Post #52
Thursday July 18, 2013 5:01pm

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Original post from dstones77

3 of the 4 matter Gordon will never see the field ahead of EJ or Wondo let it go. Pontuis wouldn't have even seen the field.


My only problem with this is the following. JK said Mac got good experience being with the team and training, and pretty much said he never had intentions of playing him. So if you swap him out why not for another 19-20 year old to give them the experience too? If the experience is that beneficial why not bring in a guy like Villareal, or someone else. Gordon seems to be the complete opposite of Mac. If you believe, like I do, that Gordon has no chance of seeing the field then JK is once again making poor choices or lying to us. Either the experience doesnt matter that much, or he made a bad personnal decision

skangles
DC
Post #53
Thursday July 18, 2013 5:24pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Zusi could help this team but oh well. I remember the Alan Gordon hate last year when he was called up then he came on in the St John's and fed EJ with a late game winning goal in a must win game. I'm not saying that I advocate him for the international level nor am I saying that I want him to play in the Gold Cup but I am saying that he's made us all look like idiots before in his one and only cap.

CBoyd3142
Probably far from where you are...
Post #54
Thursday July 18, 2013 5:50pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Original post from skangles

Zusi could help this team but oh well. I remember the Alan Gordon hate last year when he was called up then he came on in the St John's and fed EJ with a late game winning goal in a must win game. I'm not saying that I advocate him for the international level nor am I saying that I want him to play in the Gold Cup but I am saying that he's made us all look like idiots before in his one and only cap.


Exactly - let's heavily criticize when he comes in and plays poorly. I was on the Gordon hate-train last time around - we should all be happy to be proven wrong in that respect.
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camparkinson
Post #55
Thursday July 18, 2013 6:15pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 167
I see there's clearly lots of Gordon hate here, and I agree he's certainly a flawed player in many ways. However he does have one elite ability and that is to get on the end of a cross or a long ball forward.

It's no secret that the Earthquakes set a MLS record for goals in stoppage time last year and they are again leading that category again this year and Gordon is a huge reason why. Gordon is also a huge reason why Wondo tied the league record for goals in a season last year as Gordon constantly creates chances for his teammates.

He's the perfect late game sub to make if the team is winning or losing. If losing he can go mix it up and create havoc in the penalty box and if US is winning he can play as a target forward and hold up play and draw fouls. It's not always pretty but he's very effective at it.

Don't forget the last time he suited up for USA he had a phenomenal assist to Eddie Johnson in a game where no one was putting in any good crosses at all against lowly Antigua and Barbuda.

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/66/united-stat...

chillguy1992
Post #56
Thursday July 18, 2013 9:08pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 398
Yeah I give gordon a lot of crap but he did come up big in that. However while I applaud him for his performance against Antigua I am not sure why klinsi calls him up if he probably will get no playing time but yet doesnt keep jack mac or calls up pontius to get good chemistry going with the national team. I think will bruin gets way more time as a backup then gordon does.

I also think ej is being played on the left wing for qualifiers my guess is klinsmann realizes that shea isnt starting material yet no offense he is a great sub but he cant put together a good 90 minutes yet after all of his injuries. He is still trying to find his rythm and play with confidence again the goal could really help but I still dont think he is 90 minutes yet. Plus torres isnt a left winger castillo could play but if ej is getting called in my guess is klinsi wants someone to run at the fullbacks. Since Gonzo isnt playing the quarterfinal I think Goodson and Besler start against El Salvador unless klinsmann wants to stay with orozco and goodson and then make the full switch in the semifinal game to besler and gonzo.

admsghs27
Post #57
Thursday July 18, 2013 9:57pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,967
My starting 11 vs el salvador

Ej Landon

Castillo Holden Corona

Beckerman

Beasley Besler Goodson Parkhurst

Rimando

Subs.. Shea, Mix, Wondo.. Shea cant play 90 his better of the bench, Mix is a perfect sub for beckerman, Wondo, he could get a late goal if need it, or hold the ball on top to kill time, keep the lead. In the semis if we make it we will see besler, gonzo in the backline.

pjscdn
Post #58
Friday July 19, 2013 1:44am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 20
No Zuzi reflects JK's confidence in the MF on the roster. I agree with that decision. It's a strong, interchangeable corps of players. Zuzi would not be a major improvement.

EJ is brought in to compete with Wondo up top. I can also see Wondo as a late game sub.

There's no guarantee of a Besler/Gonzo pair starting. It's very possible the CB spots are up for grabs.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #59
Friday July 19, 2013 1:58pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 922
Original post from camparkinson

I see there's clearly lots of Gordon hate here, and I agree he's certainly a flawed player in many ways. However he does have one elite ability and that is to get on the end of a cross or a long ball forward.

It's no secret that the Earthquakes set a MLS record for goals in stoppage time last year and they are again leading that category again this year and Gordon is a huge reason why. Gordon is also a huge reason why Wondo tied the league record for goals in a season last year as Gordon constantly creates chances for his teammates.

He's the perfect late game sub to make if the team is winning or losing. If losing he can go mix it up and create havoc in the penalty box and if US is winning he can play as a target forward and hold up play and draw fouls. It's not always pretty but he's very effective at it.

Don't forget the last time he suited up for USA he had a phenomenal assist to Eddie Johnson in a game where no one was putting in any good crosses at all against lowly Antigua and Barbuda.

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/66/united-stat...


The words "phenominal" and "elite" should never be used in a sentence with Alan Gordon as the subject. He's a good garbage time MLS player, which is all well and good for a garabge MLS team.

BTW, watch that "phenominal" assist again, he doesnt even look to see where he's crossing it before he kicks it.

dstones77
Hagerstown, MD
Post #60
Friday July 19, 2013 2:07pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 216
Original post from MSantoine

My only problem with this is the following. JK said Mac got good experience being with the team and training, and pretty much said he never had intentions of playing him. So if you swap him out why not for another 19-20 year old to give them the experience too? If the experience is that beneficial why not bring in a guy like Villareal, or someone else. Gordon seems to be the complete opposite of Mac. If you believe, like I do, that Gordon has no chance of seeing the field then JK is once again making poor choices or lying to us. Either the experience doesnt matter that much, or he made a bad personnal decision


You're right when I say it doesn't matter I mean for playing time but the experience of it all is what matters. Another young player would have been more beneficial in the long run

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