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DaBurgh
Pittsburgh Pa
Post #16
Monday July 15, 2013 10:30pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 77
We are a better team with donovan on the field, plan and simple. I would like him in the starting xi going forward with the A-squad, but something tells me that jk wants landon in his back pocket. To use him as that x factor coming off the bench. So I doubt landon gets any playing time in up coming qualifiers, we can make it to Brazil without him. But he will be needed and used come world cup next summer.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #17
Monday July 15, 2013 10:43pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,163
Original post from DaBurgh

We are a better team with donovan on the field, plan and simple. I would like him in the starting xi going forward with the A-squad, but something tells me that jk wants landon in his back pocket. To use him as that x factor coming off the bench. So I doubt landon gets any playing time in up coming qualifiers, we can make it to Brazil without him. But he will be needed and used come world cup next summer.


Good point, and I wouldn't be surprised if Brek is used the same way in the WC. Brek has performed better coming on as a sub than when he starts

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #18
Tuesday July 16, 2013 8:02am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 308
For me LD's best position for the full side would be flank mid. He can lose his flank mark in transition easier and cut inside to exploit space under the forwards...creating an overload for the defenders to deal with. He'll generally be facing goal, which is way more comfortable for him. When he plays drop forward against the better teams there's little space. He'll have a mark attached to his hip...and more often than not be coming back for the ball, with his back to the goal, getting mugged...very uncomfortable for him. He kills it when he can face goal and exploit space.

Riggity
Atlanta
Post #19
Tuesday July 16, 2013 10:48am

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 66
Why are you praying for Shea to turn it around? Even if he did, he still shouldn't start over LD on the left. It's not even close, Shea is a big athlete with little skill who is an abomination when it comes to the final ball and Donovan is a skilled veteran with more quality and experience in his left pinky toe than Shea. As far as your reaction to Holden vs Cuba, chill out. He has played more games in two weeks than he has in the last 6 months, and for 2 of the 3 matches you could argue he was the best player on the field. IMO, he looked so good in the first two matches that it made his 3rd match look worse than it probably was. But I too expected more out of him vs Cuba. I know it's a ways off but I wouldn't be shocked if he replaced Jones in the 11 in Brazil next year. What's really exciting is that even if Holden is just on the bench that will allow Bradley and Jones to be very aggressive because a suspension due to YC accumulation won't hurt as much. The worst part is that the WC is a year away, now all of us Yanks have to sit and hope our boys stay healthy and in form!!

One last thing, I'm not a huge Wondo fan either but we are the United States, not Argentina or Brazil. I KNOW, he has performed against weak competition, but that doesn't stop a lot of you from still considering Eddie Johnson a viable option. Point is, when you are a nation like ours who has traditionally struggled to score goals, you don't label a guy who scores 5 goals in two matches as someone who "blows" and simply dismiss him. I would really like to hope so, but I don't believe Boyd, or Agudelo (who most rate much higher) would have as many goals through these first two matches.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #20
Tuesday July 16, 2013 3:54pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 949
Original post from Riggity

One last thing, I'm not a huge Wondo fan either but we are the United States, not Argentina or Brazil. I KNOW, he has performed against weak competition, but that doesn't stop a lot of you from still considering Eddie Johnson a viable option. Point is, when you are a nation like ours who has traditionally struggled to score goals, you don't label a guy who scores 5 goals in two matches as someone who "blows" and simply dismiss him. I would really like to hope so, but I don't believe Boyd, or Agudelo (who most rate much higher) would have as many goals through these first two matches.


I will label a guy that scores 5 goals against Belize and Cuba as someone who "blows" because at the peak of his goal scoring prowess a couple years ago, he was dismal in the Gold Cup. Dont give me this, "he was nervous, trying too hard" non-sense because the teams he was playing against werent much greater. Now all of a sudden he's international-caliber because of two games against amateurs?

Im not sold on Boyd, but Agudelo is much, much better than Wondo. Wondo does not have the skillset to play as a lone striker in our 4-2-3-1, which is what we will play against the big boys in WCQ and eventually in the World Cup.

Why isnt Eddie Johnson a viable option off the bench as Jozy's backup? Im not necessarily high on EJ, but to say Wondo is better is ridiculous.

Know Nothing
Post #21
Tuesday July 16, 2013 4:32pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 377
I'm not a huge Wondo fan but the one asset he has over the all the other forwards in the MNT set-up is he is crafty...he understands the game and gets himself in good positions.

When we are playing fodder like Cuba and Belize and we are expected to dominate and face bunkered defenses, I would select Wondo. But, more often than not at the WC, we will be on the back foot so Jozy or Gomez would be my choice since we will be more of a counter-attacking team.

Lykou11601
Post #22
Tuesday July 16, 2013 5:08pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 122
[quote]Original post from Riggity

Why are you praying for Shea to turn it around? Even if he did, he still shouldn't start over LD on the left. It's not even close, Shea is a big athlete with little skill who is an abomination when it comes to the final ball and Donovan is a skilled veteran with more quality and experience in his left pinky toe than Shea. As far as your reaction to Holden vs Cuba, chill out. He has played more games in two weeks than he has in the last 6 months, and for 2 of the 3 matches you could argue he was the best player on the field. IMO, he looked so good in the first two matches that it made his 3rd match look worse than it probably was. But I too expected more out of him vs Cuba. I know it's a ways off but I wouldn't be shocked if he replaced Jones in the 11 in Brazil next year. What's really exciting is that even if Holden is just on the bench that will allow Bradley and Jones to be very aggressive because a suspension due to YC accumulation won't hurt as much. The worst part is that the WC is a year away, now all of us Yanks have to sit and hope our boys stay healthy and in form!!

I don't want Shea to take Lando's spot... Maybe I wasn't clear but, I don't want Zusi starting for us in the world cup. He won't be able to handle it. Whereas Shea in form and with the right attitude can come up with some surprises against anyone. You just told me to chill out on my panic from the cuba game with Holden and then pretty much repeated what I said about him coming back after all this time and being a little disappointed in the Cuba game. I agree with the yellow card accumulation. That will be awesome. Without Bradley right now... I get the chills. Knowing Holden can replace him if need be, gives me comfort.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #23
Tuesday July 16, 2013 7:35pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 949
Original post from Know Nothing

I'm not a huge Wondo fan but the one asset he has over the all the other forwards in the MNT set-up is he is crafty...he understands the game and gets himself in good positions.

When we are playing fodder like Cuba and Belize and we are expected to dominate and face bunkered defenses, I would select Wondo. But, more often than not at the WC, we will be on the back foot so Jozy or Gomez would be my choice since we will be more of a counter-attacking team.


Wondo does not have anything over Jozy, and never will.

Ill give you Herc, but only against amateur teams. Herc likes to pull out wide, wheras Wondo just camps out on the shoulder of the last CB and makes his run off that. That works against teams that have no clue how to defend.

Wondo will struggle tonight.

rjw77
Post #24
Tuesday July 16, 2013 8:00pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 265
If Damarcus Beasley continues to prove he is a competent option at LB, then I think Donovan will be most effective coming off the bench. But if Beaskey doesn't work then Johnson could go back to LB and Donovan could play LM.

But for now I think Beasley is doing a great job there on both sides of the ball, and Johnson has been really effective in midfield.

2010 Donovan absolutely needs to be in our starting lineup, but even with his strong play against amateur teams, he will be never be as good again. And with Zusi and Johnson both playing well and the team playing so well, I feel Donovan should be our very good impact sub, something we have never really had the option to have before. Every game he could come on around the 65-70 mark for either Johnson or Zusi and he could really change the flow of the game since he has a different style than those two.

Riggity
Atlanta
Post #25
Tuesday July 16, 2013 9:01pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 66
Original post from richieJkulesaNY
I will label a guy that scores 5 goals against Belize and Cuba as someone who "blows" because at the peak of his goal scoring prowess a couple years ago, he was dismal in the Gold Cup. Dont give me this, "he was nervous, trying too hard" non-sense because the teams he was playing against werent much greater. Now all of a sudden he's international-caliber because of two games against amateurs?

Im not sold on Boyd, but Agudelo is much, much better than Wondo. Wondo does not have the skillset to play as a lone striker in our 4-2-3-1, which is what we will play against the big boys in WCQ and eventually in the World Cup.

Why isnt Eddie Johnson a viable option off the bench as Jozy's backup? Im not necessarily high on EJ, but to say Wondo is better is ridiculous.


I don't remember saying he was "international caliber" and I certainly didn't offer any excuses as to why he didn't perform better, over 700 days ago. And rrreal good logic to label someone on results from years ago, in that case Bocanegra deserves to start. That's great your sold on Agudelo, but the fact remains he didn't even make the squad, to take a page from your book, Don't give me this, "he just switched clubs, or Jurgen is trying to send a message." MY POINT was, that we don't have people scoring 5 goals in two games very often. I UNDERSTAND it was against weak competition and I would never ever put Wondo in over Jozy OR Herc,(I'd rather LD play up top before him as well) but after that he definitely deserves a look because no one else has done much. Stop twisting words, I don't think WONDO is better than EJ, but EJ gets most of his goals against weak competition as well. That's not an opinion, that's fact. As far as Agudelo, he looks very promising, like Freddy Adu, only problem is he can't even get on the 35 man roster, like Freddy Adu. If Wondo "blows" what does that make them?

Riggity
Atlanta
Post #26
Tuesday July 16, 2013 9:08pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 66
Lol where on earth would you possibly get that I said Wondolowski is better than EJ in my first post? Wow.

Lykou11601
Post #27
Tuesday July 16, 2013 10:36pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 122
Original post from rjw77

If Damarcus Beasley continues to prove he is a competent option at LB, then I think Donovan will be most effective coming off the bench. But if Beaskey doesn't work then Johnson could go back to LB and Donovan could play LM.

But for now I think Beasley is doing a great job there on both sides of the ball, and Johnson has been really effective in midfield.

2010 Donovan absolutely needs to be in our starting lineup, but even with his strong play against amateur teams, he will be never be as good again. And with Zusi and Johnson both playing well and the team playing so well, I feel Donovan should be our very good impact sub, something we have never really had the option to have before. Every game he could come on around the 65-70 mark for either Johnson or Zusi and he could really change the flow of the game since he has a different style than those two.


Sorry but Beasley has nothing on Donovan. He is very good, yes, but not at the same level as LD. Yeah he was awesome in 2010 but he's still probably in our top 3 players. He starts over Zusi. I wouldn't mind seeing Beasley start at LM though. Perfect situation would be to have LD on the right with Dolo at RB. Then have FJ at LM with Chandler at LB.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #28
Wednesday July 17, 2013 2:18am

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 949
Original post from Riggity

I don't remember saying he was "international caliber" and I certainly didn't offer any excuses as to why he didn't perform better, over 700 days ago. And rrreal good logic to label someone on results from years ago, in that case Bocanegra deserves to start. That's great your sold on Agudelo, but the fact remains he didn't even make the squad, to take a page from your book, Don't give me this, "he just switched clubs, or Jurgen is trying to send a message." MY POINT was, that we don't have people scoring 5 goals in two games very often. I UNDERSTAND it was against weak competition and I would never ever put Wondo in over Jozy OR Herc,(I'd rather LD play up top before him as well) but after that he definitely deserves a look because no one else has done much. Stop twisting words, I don't think WONDO is better than EJ, but EJ gets most of his goals against weak competition as well. That's not an opinion, that's fact. As far as Agudelo, he looks very promising, like Freddy Adu, only problem is he can't even get on the 35 man roster, like Freddy Adu. If Wondo "blows" what does that make them?


Haha my bad dude. Most of my rant was really based on what the media has been saying. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I wasn't very clear.

Sad to say, but it's a shame Agudelo didn't make the squad. All you have to do is look at Chivas after he left and NE after he came. Chivas stopped scoring and NE started scoring. He's also much better technically across the board. He is an ideal striker in a 4-2-3-1.

Yeah maybe EJ did score against weak teams, but Cuba and Belize are amateur teams. I will continue to think Wondo is not equipped for this level until he does something against real competition. BTW, he could score a hat trick tonight and it still won't change my mind.

nskarie
Post #29
Wednesday July 17, 2013 4:45am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 42
Altidore
F. Johnson-Dempsey-Donovan
Bradley-Jones
Beasley-Besler-Cameron-Chandler
Howard

Subs: Mix, Shea, Omar Gonzo, Guzan, Castillo, Boyd, Zusi

That's probably my best line up right now. I may be forgetting a few guys but that line up gives us good width and two box to box midfielders in the middle who aren't afraid to throw in a tackle.

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