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snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #121
Sunday August 4, 2013 10:13pm

Joined Jul 2013
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I hate people using Donovan as an argument to justify the Dempsey to MLS transfer. Donovan is a great player but it's crazy to think how much better he would have been if he spent his career in Europe. Not making out of the group state (2006) and losing to a Ghana team that should have been beaten (last WC) will continue to be the norm until our best players are consistently playing in the CL, just like our national team coach keeps repeating.
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Jod
Copenhagen
Post #122
Sunday August 4, 2013 10:33pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 32
Original post from pjscdn

- Smart move financially for Dempsey. He's 31. Now is the time to cash in.
- Smart move by Seattle and MLS. It's all about filling the seats and selling tickets, not to mention TV ratings. Dempsey brings more value than an aging foreigner looking for a paycheck.
- MLS shows it is financially viable. Any team in any league could've bid for Dempsey's services. They could afford to do so, especially with wealthy owners in Seattle.
- Dempsey puts in 2 months in MLS, and can then choose any loan offers than come from EPL. It puts him in control. I'm betting he goes on loan in the winter to a club needing a skilled attacker.


I agree it looks good for demps. He got a 4 year contract at a similar pay to the 2 years he had left at spurs. (link below)- washington has no income tax. Family will be happy.
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/66/united-stat...

Most of all, I like your dream that he gets some UCL matches in on winter break. That would be awesome.

Also, what was really the alternative?
Another year fighting for time on spurs? nah
Transfer to a lower EPL club? why bother?
Transfer to a CL club somewhere else? unlikely.

Really will be interesting to see how much of an impact he can have. As Keane, Henry et al can attest, its not like you just show up and instantly succeed.

OVER / UNDER - 8 goals in the remaining 14 matches?

Bshredder
Post #123
Sunday August 4, 2013 11:12pm

Joined Aug 2011
Total Posts: 1,459
An opinion from YA

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pjscdn
Post #124
Monday August 5, 2013 3:34am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 20
Original post from Jod

I agree it looks good for demps. He got a 4 year contract at a similar pay to the 2 years he had left at spurs. (link below)- washington has no income tax. Family will be happy.
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/66/united-stat...

Most of all, I like your dream that he gets some UCL matches in on winter break. That would be awesome.

Also, what was really the alternative?
Another year fighting for time on spurs? nah
Transfer to a lower EPL club? why bother?
Transfer to a CL club somewhere else? unlikely.

Really will be interesting to see how much of an impact he can have. As Keane, Henry et al can attest, its not like you just show up and instantly succeed.

OVER / UNDER - 8 goals in the remaining 14 matches?


pjscdn
Post #125
Monday August 5, 2013 3:50am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 20
Original post from Jod

I agree it looks good for demps. He got a 4 year contract at a similar pay to the 2 years he had left at spurs. (link below)- washington has no income tax. Family will be happy.
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/66/united-stat...

Most of all, I like your dream that he gets some UCL matches in on winter break. That would be awesome.

Also, what was really the alternative?
Another year fighting for time on spurs? nah
Transfer to a lower EPL club? why bother?
Transfer to a CL club somewhere else? unlikely.

Really will be interesting to see how much of an impact he can have. As Keane, Henry et al can attest, its not like you just show up and instantly succeed.

OVER / UNDER - 8 goals in the remaining 14 matches?


Jod, I agree with your points. Clint was fortunate Seattle and MLS were able to boldly come up a package at the right time. There are few teams in Europe willing to shell out a large transfer fee for a 30 year old player. His value here is his nationality and reputation.

I applaud Seattle for being the trailblazer for MLS with this move. I watched my local NE Revs team, Clint's first MLS team, drop a snoozer to Toronto tonight. The Revs were an original franchise in 1996, and they haven't adapted much at all. Owner Bob Kraft still has his GM hunt for cheap, undervalued foreigners to combine with young, raw college and development recruits. The business model has never changed. And they are one of the very few franchises without a SSS, and have no current plans to move forward with that idea. I sense the new breed of owners are willing to take a chance to grow the brand in their home cities, and we may see a few of the complacent franchises start to fade....

MSantoine
Post #126
Monday August 5, 2013 12:55pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,028
Original post from pjscdn

Jod, I agree with your points. Clint was fortunate Seattle and MLS were able to boldly come up a package at the right time. There are few teams in Europe willing to shell out a large transfer fee for a 30 year old player. His value here is his nationality and reputation.

I applaud Seattle for being the trailblazer for MLS with this move. I watched my local NE Revs team, Clint's first MLS team, drop a snoozer to Toronto tonight. The Revs were an original franchise in 1996, and they haven't adapted much at all. Owner Bob Kraft still has his GM hunt for cheap, undervalued foreigners to combine with young, raw college and development recruits. The business model has never changed. And they are one of the very few franchises without a SSS, and have no current plans to move forward with that idea. I sense the new breed of owners are willing to take a chance to grow the brand in their home cities, and we may see a few of the complacent franchises start to fade....


Not to defend the Revs decisions elsewhere but they are actively searching for land to build a soccer stadium. They are trying to build a stadium right outside Boston as opposed to Foxboro (~45 minutes away for non-mass people). They had a proposed deal for Sommerville that was shot down and I havent heard anything since but they definitely are trying

jtsccr12
Post #127
Monday August 5, 2013 2:47pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 80
I think this move is GREAT for Dempsey on so many fronts. First, he and his family get to move back to the States where he has stated on many occasions that he would like to raise his kids. Second, he will remain relevant and the face of a franchise that rivals most teams around the world in fan base and spirit... (but not in skill). As opposed to Fulham and Spurs fans who hated to love Dempsey, Dempsey now gets unbridled support and celebrity status. Third, and most significantly, as World Cup primer he has much more control on where he gets loaned to. With CL needing some reinforcements mid-season, I see him building up to the WC in perfect timing... in a perfect world.

That said, it is a risky business and this can all blow up on him. If his form drops for qualifiers... that's an issue. If he didn't give JK a heads up as the USMNT captain, that's an issue. And my greatest fear... Sounders play on turf, and Deuce is taking his 31 yr old ligaments to a much less forgiving environment. Half of his games will be on turf, and that scares me. I hope this goes well, but I am VERY nervous.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #128
Monday August 5, 2013 4:25pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,103
Double edged sword, IMO.

While I can admit that he will be seeing a lot more minutes in Seattle than in London, the quality of the opposition alone, not to mention the day-to-day training, will not be nearly up to the standard of the EPL and will not help him in terms of being able to keep his skills as sharp as could be. That said, with the lower quality of the MLS may come an increase in confidence and could drive him to become more "ballsy" on the ball than his usual workman-like attitiude.

All in all though, it's probably not the worst possible thing for him, but i think he's starting to try to ween himself away from being the "singular hope" we have for a good outcome in 2014, at least in terms of the fan's outlook in an effort to begin managing expectations.

Edit: I'd be incredibly surprised not to see him go back to England in a loan move after the MLS season is done...which is probably why he flew in to San Fran instead of direct to Seattle. I fully expect Duece and Lando to be Everton bound after the MLS Cup has concluded.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #129
Monday August 5, 2013 4:40pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,156
Original post from jtsccr12

I think this move is GREAT for Dempsey on so many fronts. First, he and his family get to move back to the States where he has stated on many occasions that he would like to raise his kids. Second, he will remain relevant and the face of a franchise that rivals most teams around the world in fan base and spirit... (but not in skill). As opposed to Fulham and Spurs fans who hated to love Dempsey, Dempsey now gets unbridled support and celebrity status. Third, and most significantly, as World Cup primer he has much more control on where he gets loaned to. With CL needing some reinforcements mid-season, I see him building up to the WC in perfect timing... in a perfect world.

That said, it is a risky business and this can all blow up on him. If his form drops for qualifiers... that's an issue. If he didn't give JK a heads up as the USMNT captain, that's an issue. And my greatest fear... Sounders play on turf, and Deuce is taking his 31 yr old ligaments to a much less forgiving environment. Half of his games will be on turf, and that scares me. I hope this goes well, but I am VERY nervous.


Maybe in spirit at the stadium....fan base not even close.

MSantoine
Post #130
Monday August 5, 2013 5:00pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,028
Hypothetical game time. Does this open up the possibility that he isnt in Brazil as a starter? Lets say that Seb Lletget breaks into the West Ham starting lineup and comes out of the winter break as an everygame starter. Like a Stu Holden break out pre-injuries. Take it one step further and say that West Ham finds themselves in a Europa or challenging Spurs and Arsenal for that 4th CL spot. As a 21 year old standout in EPL could he potentially pass by Dempsey as our top choice? If Dempsey was playing for Spurs you'd say no but no you'd have a high end EPL starter as a 21 year old vs a 31 year old MLS star. It definitely opens up a scenario that wasnt there before

richieJkulesaNY
Post #131
Monday August 5, 2013 5:15pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 920
Original post from MSantoine

Hypothetical game time. Does this open up the possibility that he isnt in Brazil as a starter? Lets say that Seb Lletget breaks into the West Ham starting lineup and comes out of the winter break as an everygame starter. Like a Stu Holden break out pre-injuries. Take it one step further and say that West Ham finds themselves in a Europa or challenging Spurs and Arsenal for that 4th CL spot. As a 21 year old standout in EPL could he potentially pass by Dempsey as our top choice? If Dempsey was playing for Spurs you'd say no but no you'd have a high end EPL starter as a 21 year old vs a 31 year old MLS star. It definitely opens up a scenario that wasnt there before


I dont think Lleget is really a CAM, though, and neither is Dempsey really. Eventually, I see Lletget challenging for one of the CM spots. Dempsey is a lock starter for Brazil.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #132
Monday August 5, 2013 5:23pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,103
Original post from MSantoine

Hypothetical game time. Does this open up the possibility that he isnt in Brazil as a starter? Lets say that Seb Lletget breaks into the West Ham starting lineup and comes out of the winter break as an everygame starter. Like a Stu Holden break out pre-injuries. Take it one step further and say that West Ham finds themselves in a Europa or challenging Spurs and Arsenal for that 4th CL spot. As a 21 year old standout in EPL could he potentially pass by Dempsey as our top choice? If Dempsey was playing for Spurs you'd say no but no you'd have a high end EPL starter as a 21 year old vs a 31 year old MLS star. It definitely opens up a scenario that wasnt there before


Potentially? Of course, if you're playing better footie than anyone else, you should be included. That said, experience and the ability to have consistent good showings is also a very important factor. If we have two or three really good players that are challenging Duece for that starting role, I'd like to see them all brought and a rotation be established to keep our attacking legs fresh throughout the tourney.

Potentially? Of course. Probable? I don't think so, not this close to the end of WCQs and without an identified "front runner" to challenge for the starting spot.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #133
Monday August 5, 2013 6:28pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 257
I absolutely hated moving from apartment to apartment in college. Think about having to move from England to Seattle. Yikes.
If you don't love it, leave it, USA #1
oldkeeper
NY, NY
Post #134
Monday August 5, 2013 6:34pm

Joined Jun 2013
Total Posts: 165
Original post from recycledhumans

Edit: I'd be incredibly surprised not to see him go back to England in a loan move after the MLS season is done...which is probably why he flew in to San Fran instead of direct to Seattle. I fully expect Duece and Lando to be Everton bound after the MLS Cup has concluded.


Whole thing seems weird to me. I get that he probably was going to have reduced playing time at Spurs, so a move seems logical. As much as we WISH the MLS was a top tier league like the PL, it's not, so the "challenge" Deuce said he wanted isn't going to be there at the same level for him anymore. He's a very driven dude, so hopefully he keeps up his intensity and training regimen. And a loan move to Everton that @recycledhumans mentioned would be awesome. Hope he's right. News that Landon has tons of European interest brewing as well now after his stellar Gold Cup performance, so maybe the both of them get loaned to Europe to stay sharp after the MLS season.

All told, it was probably the specter of very reduced playing time pre WC 2014 along with the family wanting to be back in the U.S. now that his kids are past the baby stage. The money isn't bad either. MLS is getting better, but for now at least, our best will need to go to Europe for a spell to hit that next level. While Donovan never played a full season there, it's clear that is spells in Germany and Everton did him a world of good. We forget sometimes that he did that while saying that he's stayed in MLS his whole career. It HAS to have had a huge impact on his game (especially the Germany stints during his early development). There are just SO many good players over there, that guys like LD or Deuce, while excelling and doing well, become "good" players in those leagues, but not the "great" players they show to be in MLS due to lack of competition. Until that changes, MLS is going to be a launching pad and end stop on the great U.S. players' careers.

Wish Deuce the best. He went to college (Furman) in my hometown and I've watched him a long time. Dude has HUGE balls and is as tough as iron. Hopefully he's happy with his decision and it plays out best for him and the USMNT.

Know Nothing
Post #135
Monday August 5, 2013 6:49pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 338
Looking back, the writing seemed to be on the wall when Spurs brought in Holtby. Deuce was always going to be a stop gap player for them anyway. IMO Deuce was told he wouldn't see the field much and was given permission to quietly pursue other options, preferrably outside of England.

I know the league itself is crap, but what puzzles me is why Celtic did not go in for him or why he did not try to go there. He certainly would get the playing time and he would have fulfilled his ambition to have played in the Champions league.

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