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Hunt Daddy
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Post #46
Sunday July 14, 2013 6:36pm

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American soccer fans are always looking for the next big thing. The flavor of the week right now is Wondo. He's in a rich vein of form, but the fact remains that most of his goals for the USMNT have come against sides mostly made up of amateur players. I think Wondo is a good striker and that he is worthy of his spot on this Gold Cup. When he plays at a higher level, I believe he will be found out. Gomez is still a more complete and more experienced player. Herc can not only score the goals, but he is capable of creating them, too. He's faster and also more versatile positionally, able to play in any spot on the front line. He's even been known to hit a decent free kick from time to time.

I'm happy for Wondo right now because he seems like a great guy and he's helping the team win. But I don't see how people can justify saying his performance against Belize and Cuba automatically makes him next in line behind Jozy. His play has warranted him a further look, but until he demonstrates that he can do a job consistently with the national team then he will be on the outside looking in.

Wondo should still be behind Altidore, Gomez & Johnson in the pecking order.

Side note, not sure who it was that said Gomez is old, but Wondo's only like 9 months younger than him.

skangles
DC
Post #47
Sunday July 14, 2013 6:52pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Original post from dolcem

You seriously think that someone who had never done anything for the Nats against CONCACAF opposition and then, after scoring some goals against a couple rec teams, is above someone like Herculez Gomez in the depth chart?


Yes.

Bshredder
Post #48
Sunday July 14, 2013 7:01pm

Joined Aug 2011
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I haven't seen Herc look all that great for the US team in awhile. It actually should be a bit of a concern.

No one is happy for Wondolowski because he is a rep for MLS, people get happy whenever any American forward gets on a hot streak.

navi8132
New York
Post #49
Sunday July 14, 2013 7:34pm

Joined Jul 2012
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This tournament should have been for youth , ie get Jack Mac some playing time. Gomez isn't needed. Wondo and JackMac should share the PT.

Only young player from the Olympic age group here playing is Diskerud + Corona (Shea is done).

blaise213
Post #50
Sunday July 14, 2013 7:37pm

Joined Sep 2012
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Original post from navi8132

This tournament should have been for youth , ie get Jack Mac some playing time. Gomez isn't needed. Wondo and JackMac should share the PT.

Only young player from the Olympic age group here playing is Diskerud + Corona (Shea is done).


100% agree

skangles
DC
Post #51
Sunday July 14, 2013 7:52pm

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This tournament is about finding insurance policies to fill potential holes in the roster ahead of next year's World Cup. You bring your best team to the World Cup regardless of age.

blaise213
Post #52
Sunday July 14, 2013 8:39pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,255
@ skangles

Then at what point do we see the young and dual national players ????

We dont, because klinsmann always wants to win friendlies instead of experimenting. And klinsmann idea of trying new players are the ones nobody wants to see.

Defense: Hedges, John, Baptiste, Alvarado, Hines, Okugo

navi8132
New York
Post #53
Sunday July 14, 2013 8:48pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Forget Hines at the moment.

navi8132
New York
Post #54
Sunday July 14, 2013 8:51pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,122
Does anyone else see this vapid stupidity in Jurgen when he does the half-time interview? He never gives the impression that he is a shrewd coach. (JK Hate of the Day)

Hunt Daddy
VA
Post #55
Sunday July 14, 2013 9:27pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 48
Original post from Bshredder

Maybe I'm missing something, but I haven't seen Herc look all that great for the US team in awhile. It actually should be a bit of a concern.


True, but it wasn't too long ago that Jozy didn't look all that great for the USMNT either and now look at him. Remember Herc is coming back from injury. He had about a month layoff and he might still be shaking off some rust. Based on past performances I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, though.

skangles
DC
Post #56
Sunday July 14, 2013 9:32pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,449
Original post from blaise213

@ skangles

Then at what point do we see the young and dual national players ????

We dont, because klinsmann always wants to win friendlies instead of experimenting. And klinsmann idea of trying new players are the ones nobody wants to see.

Defense: Hedges, John, Baptiste, Alvarado, Hines, Okugo


If the point is playing a player because they're young and we need to develop players for the 2018 cycle then that can start August 2014. If a young player is on the fringe of breaking through for the 2014 cycle then they should be getting time in this Gold Cup and any games after we qualify.

I personally would like to see McInerney get playing time because he's done everything we could have asked for at the MLS level and I think that he can help us in 2014 but it's tough to be upset with Wondo getting the playing time in the Gold Cup as he's been on fire.

This Gold Cup is absolutely testing out fringe players: Wondo, Torres, Mix, Corona, Bedoya, Holden, Parkhurst, Castillo, Beltran, Orozco, Rimando. What else would you consider these guys if they're not fringe players?

Sure Klinsmann has brought back familiar faces that had fallen out of favor like Donovan, Beckerman, Goodson and Gooch. We could argue that we know what these guys bring but Landon helps us win immediately, Beckerman was really the only holding midfielder that was available and as much as I hate him, he's done well thus far. Gooch and Goodson were brought in to see if they have anything left in the tank as its clear that Klinsmann is searching for veteran leadership to backup Gonzo/Besler.

Klinsmann's contract is through 2014, he has the keys to the city to get us a result in Brazil. That is his lone objective and what he'll be measured on. His job is to put together the best team possible for next year and where young players can help us (e.g. Corona, Mix) they have a role but playing young players for 2018 or to cap-tie them if they're dual nationals shouldn't be the main focus unless they help us immediately.

The flip side of bringing young players along for the future is that sometimes you unleash long-term gems (e.g. Beasley and Donovan in 2002) but sometimes you end up starting a young player like Robbie Findley in the World Cup.

I think people are upset that this cylce of players tends to be a bit older than our US teams in the past and there will certainly be a changing of the guard after 2014 with the likes of Donovan, Beasley, Jones, Howard, Dolo and maybe Dempsey hanging up the cleats for the MNT but we should go balls out with these guys in Brazil and worry about Russia next August.

Live490
Texas
Post #57
Sunday July 14, 2013 11:56pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,175
Amen Skangles!

blaise213
Post #58
Monday July 15, 2013 12:09am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,255
Original post from Live490

Amen Skangles!


ok 8 posts, bet you you started watching soccer after 2010 WC

Original post from skangles

This Gold Cup is absolutely testing out fringe players: Wondo, Torres, Mix, Corona, Bedoya, Holden, Parkhurst, Castillo, Beltran, Orozco, Rimando. What else would you consider these guys if they're not fringe players?



Most of these players have already seen A team games and have been on WC Qualifying roster. Mexico brought a C team. We should not be seeing players like beasley, gomez. goodson, beckerman, onyewu

we should be seeing agudelo, boyd, wooten, Adu, Magee, Morales, and all the CB's I already named

Im not interested in seeing the 30 and up club for the World Cup 2014. We re gonna have the oldest roster.

Live490
Texas
Post #59
Monday July 15, 2013 1:20am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,175
Since 95 blaise, when Necaxa was the powerhouse of Mexican soccer.. Been rooting for USA since 98s last place in France.. skangles is right.. This is not Mexico C, it's the best they can field after their starters fyi.. Why call up some of those you mentioned when USA doesn't even have a solid 23 full roster.. plus those young guns should be way more focused in making the 18 in their clubs..

blaise213
Post #60
Monday July 15, 2013 5:33am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,255
I stopped reading once you brought up anything that has to do with the mexican league.

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