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Post #31
Friday July 12, 2013 7:16pm

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I like Lalas, but he still really annoys me quite a bit. And Twellman annoys the hell outta me all the time.

Harkes was and is god awful.

Don't like Johnson, Phil Schoen, Christopher Sullivan, Dunseth and Jorge Ramos.

Really like Ian and Mcmanaman.

I too like Dellacamera, Moreno, and Bretos.

Give them some more time and I think Keller and McBride can be pretty good.

On Foxsoccer, the combo of Stone, Barton, and Wynalda can be very entertaining.

Martino, meh. Arlo White is OK, IMO he talks way too much.

I like Bob Ley even though he is prone to grandpa moments and doesn't know much about the sport.

I like Grant Wahl, Jeff Carlise (I like that is he now getting on TV as well), Seltzer, and our own Bshredder.

Ives, meh.

Leander, meh.

Roger Bennet, meh. He writes some good stuff and his podcast is pretty funny, but I feel he has that British superiority complex about the sport.

I hope Strauss found a job, he deserves one after stirring up the hornets nest a couple months ago!

And RAY HUDSON is a LUNATIC!
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guato-dany
Post #32
Saturday July 13, 2013 12:16am

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 78
Are you talking about the jorge ramos that has his own show on espn deportes? If so you probably have never heard him on the Spanish espn he is pretty good but the guy i think he works with tato noriega he is the best espn deportes has

blaise213
San Francisco CA
Post #33
Saturday July 13, 2013 10:36pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,367
After today, More games need to be on FOX

The whole pre-game coverage was money, the analysts at the half were excellent, and the broadcasters Eric Wynalda and the other guy were good. Especially Wynalda for explaining certain aspects in the game for the non/casual soccer fan

After game coverage was legit too.

Hands down better than NBC or ESPN

skangles
DC
Post #34
Saturday July 13, 2013 10:39pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 2,004
Fox Soccer Channel is shutting down next month and Fox is replacing it with a teen-oriented channel. This tournament is the last you'll see of the MNT on Fox unless Fox decides to bid against ESPN/NBC in the future to bulk up programming on the newly created Fox Sports 1.

nskarie
Post #35
Sunday July 14, 2013 2:01am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 42
The guys today were just blowing smoke up Wondo's ass. Sure he's a decent player but he has 6 goals vs. three teams who my club team would have beat. Saying he has locked up a spot on the WC based on his performance in games where we scored 16 goals in 3 games is a joke.

If he was really pure class, he would have done it in his past USMNT caps against some better teams.

Let's hope he proves me wrong, but for now all this Wondo love/savior/genius talk is nonsense and is making our commentators look like fools.

MSantoine
Post #36
Sunday July 14, 2013 2:53am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,203
Original post from nskarie

The guys today were just blowing smoke up Wondo's ass. Sure he's a decent player but he has 6 goals vs. three teams who my club team would have beat. Saying he has locked up a spot on the WC based on his performance in games where we scored 16 goals in 3 games is a joke.

If he was really pure class, he would have done it in his past USMNT caps against some better teams.

Let's hope he proves me wrong, but for now all this Wondo love/savior/genius talk is nonsense and is making our commentators look like fools.


I think Wondo definitely deserves a look with our A team (maybe vs Bosnia or make the camp for the next qualies)

dolcem
Post #37
Sunday July 14, 2013 5:23am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
Original post from nskarie

The guys today were just blowing smoke up Wondo's ass. Sure he's a decent player but he has 6 goals vs. three teams who my club team would have beat. Saying he has locked up a spot on the WC based on his performance in games where we scored 16 goals in 3 games is a joke.

If he was really pure class, he would have done it in his past USMNT caps against some better teams.

Let's hope he proves me wrong, but for now all this Wondo love/savior/genius talk is nonsense and is making our commentators look like fools.


Agreed. I think it's because we want the MLS to seem like a really legit league and it won't really be until its best players are good. A lot of the top MLS guys haven't been quality players while some of the best ones don't even do that well in the MLS (Beckham, for instance). I mean look at how many goals guys like Twellman and Cunningham scored. IMO Wondo is a better version of Twellman, and Jack McInerney will probably turn out to be a better version of Wondo, but none of these guys ever were USNT caliber (maybe McInerney will be but I doubt it). Anyway, the media and a lot of fans are really pulling for Wondo to succeed because that'll make the league look better. That's where the bias comes in. Anyone who thinks Wondo deserves more than another quick look with the A team is delusional. He is nowhere near the caliber of guys like Altidore, Gomez, or even Boyd.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #38
Sunday July 14, 2013 5:51am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,131
Don't know if Wondo will be on the WC 2014 team, but I would not be surprised to see either EJ or Boyd replaced by Wondo in the next WC qualifiers in September.

Bshredder
Post #39
Sunday July 14, 2013 6:03am

Joined Aug 2011
Total Posts: 1,459
Original post from dolcem

Agreed. I think it's because we want the MLS to seem like a really legit league and it won't really be until its best players are good. A lot of the top MLS guys haven't been quality players while some of the best ones don't even do that well in the MLS (Beckham, for instance). I mean look at how many goals guys like Twellman and Cunningham scored. IMO Wondo is a better version of Twellman, and Jack McInerney will probably turn out to be a better version of Wondo, but none of these guys ever were USNT caliber (maybe McInerney will be but I doubt it). Anyway, the media and a lot of fans are really pulling for Wondo to succeed because that'll make the league look better. That's where the bias comes in. Anyone who thinks Wondo deserves more than another quick look with the A team is delusional. He is nowhere near the caliber of guys like Altidore, Gomez, or even Boyd.


I'm not going to respond to all this because it's nonsense.

But last time I checked, Gomez was also playing in this tournament against the same competition and Wondo has looked better.

You rip into MLS as grounds to knock Wondo but it is pretty obvious from watching whole games that the Austrian Bundesliga is wayyy worse than MLS. It's not even close.

I'm not sure if Wondo will make the 2014 WC team but who is clearly in front of him right now aside from obviously Altidore? It seems pretty open right now and all options are on the table.

Jzaval01
Post #40
Sunday July 14, 2013 6:32am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,637
wow were debating about Wondo. Give the man a break he has scored 6 in 3 games. Yes they are weak teams but then how comes guys like Gomez or heck even Landon cant score more than Wondo. We should be happy he is producing and we are gonna see what he does to Costa Rica players. No he hasnt booked his ticket to Brazil because he has to be consistent. If somehow he start scoring goals then he gets the back up to Jozy no problem. Atm Wondo definitely looks better than Gomez. Today Gomez was just getting Frustrated with Cuba.Forget MLS atm no one is talking about clubs its about the National team that the number one thing. Now Gomez and Wondo are different players but the number one important thing for a striker is to score and if Wondo is doing that then so be it. We need the best and players inform come WC because there is definitely going to be injuries or yellow card suspension. And again why so much hate for Wondo? Ill admit I wasnt the biggest fan of him but he is doing well and proving me wrong so far. Lets be happy out NT is scoring goals and putting weak teams away like this with ease.

dolcem
Post #41
Sunday July 14, 2013 7:58am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
Original post from Bshredder

I'm not going to respond to all this because it's nonsense.

But last time I checked, Gomez was also playing in this tournament against the same competition and Wondo has looked better.

You rip into MLS as grounds to knock Wondo but it is pretty obvious from watching whole games that the Austrian Bundesliga is wayyy worse than MLS. It's not even close.

I'm not sure if Wondo will make the 2014 WC team but who is clearly in front of him right now aside from obviously Altidore? It seems pretty open right now and all options are on the table.


I'm not ripping into the MLS. I'm just pointing out the reason behind the media making ridiculous statements like "Wondo is a lock for 2014" after he scored a few goals against rec teams.

You seriously think Wondo is better than Gomez because of a couple good games against teams like Belize and Cuba? Gomez has already proven himself to be a very good player at the national and club level. Wondo hasn't. Anyone reasonable soccer spectator knows that Gomez is much, much better. And aside from talent, I've seen Wondo blow enough chances for us (including in the past few games) to know that I would not trust him under pressure. Gomez is more experienced in those type of situations.

It doesn't matter if the MLS or Austrian league is better. Boyd is a better player period. There's a reason he made it through Dortmund's system (whereas the nearest Wondo will ever get to European soccer will be in the stands). There's no way to objectively prove it because this is soccer (not a statistical game) and not the MLB or NFL but Boyd is just a more talented player. He offers so much more than Wondo does. He is also young and should continue to improve.

If Wondo is so good than why isn't he scoring this year? The fact is that his success completely depends on the system he's playing in. Before San Jose he didn't do anything, and now that what they're doing doesn't work anymore he doesn't score any more goals.

It's not that I'm ripping into the MLS. You can score a lot of goals in way better leagues and still not be a very good player. Ever heard of Jose Sand? He used to score goals for fun in Argentina, one of the top 10 leagues in the world (7th best IMO) and way better than the MLS. He isn't a halfway decent player and Lanus didn't have any problems after he left. And why does no one want to spend 8 million pounds to be an English player (usually worth twice their value) who has been one of the most consistent goalscorers in the Premier League over the past few seasons? It's because people that really know the game know that Darren Bent isn't a very good player. He scored boatloads of goals for Sunderland but they actually played better when he was off the field (I read a really good article with statistics that showed that they actually scored more when he wasn't playing). Why isn't Chicharito a starter for ManU even though he scores so much and in such important situations? Welbeck isn't any good yet gets more PT.

None of those players are that talented and, aside from being able to convert some of the chances given to them, don't help out their teams all that much. A striker's job is to score goals but even if he does he might not be the best player for the team or even a very good player. If you're a poacher you have to be damn good to merit a starting spot. Wondo is like the players I just listed but playing in an inferior league.

You can disagree with me but what's your explanation for how hard everyone in the media is pulling for him? It's not often that you see people in the media root for players like that. The funny thing is that it's misguided because the fact that Wondo isn't very good doesn't reflect poorly on the MLS (just as Darren Bent's success doesn't for the EPL). I guess some of them probably don't understand the game well enough to recognize that.
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dolcem
Post #42
Sunday July 14, 2013 8:13am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
Original post from Jzaval01

wow were debating about Wondo. Give the man a break he has scored 6 in 3 games. Yes they are weak teams but then how comes guys like Gomez or heck even Landon cant score more than Wondo. We should be happy he is producing and we are gonna see what he does to Costa Rica players. No he hasnt booked his ticket to Brazil because he has to be consistent. If somehow he start scoring goals then he gets the back up to Jozy no problem. Atm Wondo definitely looks better than Gomez. Today Gomez was just getting Frustrated with Cuba.Forget MLS atm no one is talking about clubs its about the National team that the number one thing. Now Gomez and Wondo are different players but the number one important thing for a striker is to score and if Wondo is doing that then so be it. We need the best and players inform come WC because there is definitely going to be injuries or yellow card suspension. And again why so much hate for Wondo? Ill admit I wasnt the biggest fan of him but he is doing well and proving me wrong so far. Lets be happy out NT is scoring goals and putting weak teams away like this with ease.


I don't hate Wondo and I think that if he plays well against some of the halfway decent teams in the tournament, he has earned another look with the A team (even though we're fairly deep at striker and play with one, which doesn't really suit Wondo's game). But it's annoying seeing how much some people in the media are rooting for him. Media figures pulling for players like that is just amateur. Which is basically the topic of this thread.

Gomez had a bad game against a really bad team. He is getting old. But let's not forget that he has proven himself to be a quality player at the club and international level and definitely is still better than Wondo.
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skangles
DC
Post #43
Sunday July 14, 2013 3:19pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 2,004
Wondo just went from having never scored for the MNT to our 34th top goal scorer of all time in the course of a week.

He may not have a permanent place with the MNT but in the short term it's hard to argue that anybody else should be Altidore's backup.

dolcem
Post #44
Sunday July 14, 2013 3:31pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
Original post from skangles

Wondo just went from having never scored for the MNT to our 34th top goal scorer of all time in the course of a week.

He may not have a permanent place with the MNT but in the short term it's hard to argue that anybody else should be Altidore's backup.


You seriously think that someone who had never done anything for the Nats against CONCACAF opposition and then, after scoring some goals against a couple rec teams, is above someone like Herculez Gomez in the depth chart?
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Jzaval01
Post #45
Sunday July 14, 2013 5:27pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,637
Original post from dolcem

I don't hate Wondo and I think that if he plays well against some of the halfway decent teams in the tournament, he has earned another look with the A team (even though we're fairly deep at striker and play with one, which doesn't really suit Wondo's game). But it's annoying seeing how much some people in the media are rooting for him. Media figures pulling for players like that is just amateur. Which is basically the topic of this thread.

Gomez had a bad game against a really bad team. He is getting old. But let's not forget that he has proven himself to be a quality player at the club and international level and definitely is still better than Wondo.

Your right but its futbol and things can change in an instance. Suddenly Wondo became the goal threat while Herc just starting to slow down with age? Personally I root for all these guys and whoever pulls through deserves the call. As a National team support first you wanna always see everyone involved succeed. Maybe that can be an argument for media. But then again the media is the media by that it means they always hype anything up.

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