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EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #16
Thursday July 11, 2013 6:55pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,292
Bshredder is great. He knows what he's talking about.

Schoen aside from that Beckerman comment I think is a great play by play man.

Goff is fantastic. Wahl is alright. Jeff Carlise on Espn is good.

Gus will get better but my god he's rough to listen to.

Cobi is solid. Not bad not great.

Twellman and Lalas have their fanboy moments but they mean well.

John Strong and Brian McBride are hidden gems. They were fantastic when paired together especially for the Europa League final.

Hunt Daddy
VA
Post #17
Thursday July 11, 2013 8:10pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 48
Two guys I REALLY like who don't get to call soccer much anymore since they left FSC are Max Bretos and Allen Hopkins. They're probably my two favorite American play-by-play guys. It was great to hear Bretos working some of the u20 matches last month.

Kyle Martino is also really growing on me.

Out of the other TV names I've seen on here, I like Wynalda, Keller & McBride. Twellman is ok. I also like how much effort Bob Ley has put into learning the game. Lalas likes to hear himself talk.

Would rather not listen to JP, Jones, Balboa and Harkes but I can tune them out.

Cannot stand Gus Johnson, Phil Schoen and Christopher Sullivan. Instantly look for a Spanish language broadcast as soon as I hear them on my TV. I remember hearing Joe Buck do a USMNT game one time... comically bad. Whoever dreamt that idea up has a really sadistic imagination.

I have a really hard time with American soccer journalists. I think Shredder, Ives and Wahl are all credible and great reporters. Matt at theshinguardian.com puts out some good stuff. I appreciate that he really tries to take his analysis to another level. I think that most soccer writers' grasp of tactics and the nuance of the game is really lacking. I spend as much time reading the comments/posts in the locker room and on sites like TSG & SBI as I do the articles because I think a lot of commenters understand the game just as well if not better than those who get paid to write about it.

Hunt Daddy
VA
Post #18
Thursday July 11, 2013 8:13pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 48
Wow I typed 'really' like 15x in the post. Embarrassing.

skangles
DC
Post #19
Thursday July 11, 2013 8:40pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,448
On-Air:

1) Max Bretos - best play-by-play man by far. His knowledge of linguistics is impeccable. I hadn't seen him cover a game with in years after leaving FSW for Sports Center until he covered the Mexico U-20 game a few weeks ago.

2) George Metellus - Similar linguistic specialist like Bretos. He does the commentary for Tu Futbol and Hallo Bundesliga on GOL TV. His commentary of the Brisileiro is a particular treat.

3) Alexi Lalas - Sometimes he's off of his rocker but I love the fact that he's the only guy in the US Soccer circle that will call a spade a spade. Everybody else is very soft with their criticism of the national team whereas Lalas will blatantly call the team out when they're playing poorly and I appreciate that.

In Print:

1) Yanks-Abroad - enough said.

2) SoccerbyIves - I really like the whole SBI team and Ives' twitter feed has some real gems before games.

3) American Exports section on MLSsoccer.com - Seriously good coverage of non-MLS players.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #20
Friday July 12, 2013 8:28am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,533
Frankly there are a lot of paid writers that have marginal takes on what actually happens in the games. Mostly they have general observations without much detail or insight.

Every soccer site has about half a dozen guys posting from their couch that are better than the high profile writers. Most of the knowledgeable posters have spent their lives in the game at a decent level...playing, coaching, evaluating players and putting teams together.

And every site has the same cast of characters. The pompous condescending know-it- all boor, the guy that gleans and consolidates info from other sites and passes it off as his own. The outside the box contrarians, solid intelligent dudes with informed takes, newbies, club team homers, orange slicers, the Toby Charles loving curmudgeon, guys that love to infinitely argue their point and guys that talk about 3-5-2s utilizing Marvell Wynne.

But the funniest thing is everyone has an almost irrational like or dislike for one player or another. It is nearly impossible to agree with another poster 100%. That's what makes it so interesting, you'll be reading someone's post nodding your head thinking, wow, this guy is nailing it...and then he takes a complete left turn and you think, okay, that was completely ridiculous.

Regarding the better writers, for my money, I'd go with Doyle hands down as someone who nails it the majority of the time...very detailed analysis of the tactics. Matt from The Shin Guardian is also very good.

I'm new to this site, but the guy with Zappa on the can is spot on.

MSantoine
Post #21
Friday July 12, 2013 11:41am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

I'm new to this site, but the guy with Zappa on the can is spot on.


Thats probably why he's the main writer of the site. If you couldnt figure it out. Bshredder sounds almost like B Sciaretta.

USAfan90
Los Angeles
Post #22
Friday July 12, 2013 3:49pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 51
I like Fernando Palomo and Alejandro Moreno from ESPN, even tho they are the commentator for all the El Tri games in english, I think it will be nice to hear Palomo and Moreno doing the USNMT broadcasting. I like Palomo play by play and Moreno commentator.
USAfan90
Hunt Daddy
VA
Post #23
Friday July 12, 2013 3:53pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 48
Original post from USAfan90

I like Fernando Palomo and Alejandro Moreno from ESPN, even tho they are the commentator for all the El Tri games in english, I think it will be nice to hear Palomo and Moreno doing the USNMT broadcasting. I like Palomo play by play and Moreno commentator.


Would have mentioned Moreno if he was American. I like him, too. Every time I've heard him call a game he has just bashed Mexico the entire time which I can definitely get behind.

dolcem
Post #24
Friday July 12, 2013 4:00pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
YA is excellent but when it comes to US soccer media there are a lot of amateurs out there, which is completely understandable given our brief history in the sport: hardly anyone over 30 watched or played soccer when they were a kid and it's very recent that we've even had players in the top leagues in Europe. Because in comparison to other American sports (and soccer in Europe), we have a very small and scattered population from which to choose TV personalities, commentators, journalists (and less money for them) and anyone else involved that area of US soccer infrastructure. We haven't really grown a culture yet in the same way that more established nations have. I think the same thing applies to scouts, coaches-especially considering that the older ones came from a completely different era of US soccer, when our play was so primitive we couldn't dream of beating tiny Carribbean nations to qualify for a world cup-and, ultimately, players, but that's a different story.
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Hunt Daddy
VA
Post #25
Friday July 12, 2013 4:01pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 48
Chris you nailed the list of usual suspects. 👏

oldkeeper
NY, NY
Post #26
Friday July 12, 2013 4:06pm

Joined Jun 2013
Total Posts: 165
Just plain awful...Clint Mathis. WTH is that guy doing on TV?

coyb
Post #27
Friday July 12, 2013 4:08pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 33
Surprised no one has mentioned JP Dellacamera. I've always enjoyed when he calls a game.

dolcem
Post #28
Friday July 12, 2013 6:04pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Twellman has gotten better but he is pretty awful (like the rest of them). It amazes me that someone who succeeded at such a high level of American soccer sounds like he is totally clueless about the sport. At least he's better than Harkes. Lalas and Keller aren't too bad by American standards but they wouldn't be anywhere near the camera if this were one of the big three.

The fact that we're trying to convert an old basketball announcer to a soccer announcer is frankly embarassing. Johnson is a good guy and a good announcer but he just doesn't know the sport. He never will. Soccer isn't something you can just pick up at age 50 and understand. The soccer public has been watching and playing it since they were children. They're going to understand it better than someone like Gus.

It's not easy being a good commentator. Most people can't do it. But once we have a bigger pool of elite (by American standards) ex-players (especially ones that played in the top European leagues) we'll have more people to choose from and one of them will know how to do it well. And eventually we'll get people with a career in TV and broadcasting who grew up watching the sport and understand its nuances.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #29
Friday July 12, 2013 6:28pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,574
Not a fan of Leander.

Ives is alright.

Like most of the YA writers.

Grant Wahl is good.

ESPN is meh. But I do like Roger Bennets pieces.

Hershey is decent.

As for commentators:

Twellman makes me cringe at times, but he is better than John Harkes.

Ian Darke is good, but at times he acts like the US can never win a game. Maybe it's his Englishness coming out.

Interested in Gus Johnson. I like his style, but he needs to clean a lot things up commentating on soccer.

Brian Dunseth's voice is like nails on a chalk board. And he talks way too much.

Wynalda makes me laugh.

And I am starting to really like McBride, but he needs to articulate a bit better.

Really like Alejandro Moreno.

I like Lalas.

stone88
Post #30
Friday July 12, 2013 6:38pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,519
Original post from coyb

Surprised no one has mentioned JP Dellacamera. I've always enjoyed when he calls a game.


I like Dellacamera!

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