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MSantoine
Post #1
Wednesday July 10, 2013 1:29pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Its nice to see that after 2 years JK seems to finally understand the fact that the US should dominate CONCACAF foes. After struggling to beat teams like Antigua and Barbuda, Guatemala, and Canada, seeing us play attacking soccer and score 12 goals the last two games is a sigh of relief. Yes Belize and Guatemala arent Mexico and Honduras however this is our B team and again we struggled with teams like Jamaica, A&B and Canada 9 months ago. Even before this offensive outburst we played much more aggressive against belgium, Germany, Panama, Jamaica, & Honduras. If we keep this up I think we have a chance to really make it out of the group stage in 2014.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #2
Wednesday July 10, 2013 3:40pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 932
Original post from MSantoine

Its nice to see that after 2 years JK seems to finally understand the fact that the US should dominate CONCACAF foes. After struggling to beat teams like Antigua and Barbuda, Guatemala, and Canada, seeing us play attacking soccer and score 12 goals the last two games is a sigh of relief. Yes Belize and Guatemala arent Mexico and Honduras however this is our B team and again we struggled with teams like Jamaica, A&B and Canada 9 months ago. Even before this offensive outburst we played much more aggressive against belgium, Germany, Panama, Jamaica, & Honduras. If we keep this up I think we have a chance to really make it out of the group stage in 2014.


I'm with you man, but its been two years too long. IMO, there's still a lot to be asked for. Klinsmann wants it, and you can tell, but I just dont think he has surrounded himself with the right people. Time will tell.

dolcem
Post #3
Wednesday July 10, 2013 5:45pm

Joined Nov 2012
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JK hasn't changed, at least I haven't seen any major tweaks to what he's trying to do. It's the players that are finally getting the style he wants us to play.

Even though we've looked very good of late I think it's way too early to tell. Right now we just don't have the players to play attacking soccer. That requires attacking midfielders and we only have one (Dempsey) who should be anywhere near the team. Possibly two now with Donovan coming back into the fold. Besides those two we need at least one, preferably two more before we can seriously hope to do anything but bunker down against good teams.

Frankly I think it's a miracle we have played as well as we have the past couple months. We're in between generations and I have extremely low expectations for 2014.
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oldkeeper
NY, NY
Post #4
Wednesday July 10, 2013 6:20pm

Joined Jun 2013
Total Posts: 165
I'll be convinced JK has changed when he stops calling up Beckerman and inserts a fully healthy Holden into the starting line up.

rainORshine
Post #5
Wednesday July 10, 2013 6:30pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 1,770
Original post from dolcem

Frankly I think it's a miracle we have played as well as we have the past couple months. We're in between generations and I have extremely low expectations for 2014.


mmm... think ill have to take issue with this

potential EPL starters:
- dempsey
- altidore
- cameron

bundesliga
- jones
- chandler
- fabian

serie A: bradley

potential attack:
- front 3 of altidore, dempsey, donovan
- bradley, jones, cameron (possibly holden) surging through middle
- fabian and chandler bombing down wings

probably easily most talent we have ever had.
last WC
- started guys like bornstein, clark and findley
- didnt have the german-americans
- bradley was not as good
- altidore was not very good
- much better depth

MSantoine
Post #6
Wednesday July 10, 2013 6:47pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from rainORshine

mmm... think ill have to take issue with this

potential EPL starters:
- dempsey
- altidore
- cameron

bundesliga
- jones
- chandler
- fabian

serie A: bradley

potential attack:
- front 3 of altidore, dempsey, donovan
- bradley, jones, cameron (possibly holden) surging through middle
- fabian and chandler bombing down wings

probably easily most talent we have ever had.
last WC
- started guys like bornstein, clark and findley
- didnt have the german-americans
- bradley was not as good
- altidore was not very good
- much better depth


Throw in Howard and potentially Brooks and maybe enen Shea and we (in theory) could have 10 of 11 starters in the big 4 Euro leagues. Could be something like
Altidore
Shea-bradley-Dempsey
Jones-Holden
Fab-Brooks-Cam-Chandler
Howard.

Thats a pretty impressive starting XI. I know its hoping for Shea and Cam stepping up and claiming spots as well as Brooks commiting to us and no injuries, but we could never field a starting lineup with big 4 Euros before. With this hypothetical lineup we'd also have guys like Landon, Beasley, Omar, Besler as key guys off our bench.

nolefansandy
Post #7
Wednesday July 10, 2013 6:58pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 280
Ives made a really good point about the line up last night against Belize. He didn't start ,and with the exception of Holden at the end, or play any guys with a history of knee problems due to the turf. I wouldn't be surprised if Holden starts over Beckerman against Cuba at all

stone88
Post #8
Wednesday July 10, 2013 7:34pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 817
----Altidore----Dempsey----
--------Donovan--------
-----Bradley---Holden-----
----------Jones---------
Fabian-------------Chandler
------Brooks--XXX-------

richieJkulesaNY
Post #9
Wednesday July 10, 2013 8:08pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 932
Man you guys really like to clog up the center of the midfield. Also, Bradley, Jones, and Holden are not CAMs. Sorry, but you cant have all three starting. And thus far, Cameron has been the best partner to Bradley in the central midifleld. Ideally, I think it should be a Bradley/Holden combo, with Dempsey in front of them.

stone88
Post #10
Wednesday July 10, 2013 8:51pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 817
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Man you guys really like to clog up the center of the midfield. Also, Bradley, Jones, and Holden are not CAMs. Sorry, but you cant have all three starting. And thus far, Cameron has been the best partner to Bradley in the central midifleld. Ideally, I think it should be a Bradley/Holden combo, with Dempsey in front of them.


yes, yes you can have all three starting. Donovan is the CAM, Dempsey and Altidore the two CFs. And Bradley, Holden and Jones as a three man CM tandem. Bradley and Holden more Box to box and jones the stay at home destroyer. Both Fabian and Chandler are capable of providing the width in the attack as Wingbacks.

Basically a 4-3-1-2.

jtsccr12
Post #11
Wednesday July 10, 2013 8:55pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 80
Barring injury or sudden drop in form, the line-up for the WC is mostly set. JK has tinkered to the point of frustration for some, but I find it refreshing due to the depth its created. The only spot that the WC starting roster has up for grabs is CB and RB. Here is how I see it:

---Altidore
LD-Dempsey-Zusi
-Bradley - Jones
-FJ-Besler-?-?
---Howard

With LD in the fold, FJ will drop back to LB and Beas will be a great sub for us. Holden is competing for a spot on the bench. In WC, one or both CM will have to sit a game for yellow cards or injury, so he should see the field just fine. Cameron is also competing with Edu for a spot on the bench... which is a race I hope Geoff wins. If Chandler can get over his fear of flying, and Dolo gets back fine from the knee injury, then those two will compete for the RB role. This leave Shea, Bedoya, Corona, Castillo, Torres, Evans, Davis, Parkhurst, and a few others competing for outside roles. I think that will come down to utility and how many positions they can play. Shea and Corona seem to have the inside track, but Bedoya is a scrappy fighter and might surprise a few people.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #12
Wednesday July 10, 2013 10:42pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 932
Original post from stone88

yes, yes you can have all three starting. Donovan is the CAM, Dempsey and Altidore the two CFs. And Bradley, Holden and Jones as a three man CM tandem. Bradley and Holden more Box to box and jones the stay at home destroyer. Both Fabian and Chandler are capable of providing the width in the attack as Wingbacks.

Basically a 4-3-1-2.


Like I said, you're clogging the midfield. Why would you need 2 box to box guys when you have a strict #6? We've seen that in action before and it was miserable. Honduras defended that with ease. If you don't have wide outlets up the field, Fab and Chandler have no chance of getting forward.

USAfan90
Los Angeles
Post #13
Wednesday July 10, 2013 10:45pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 46
Well I think the reason the Klinsmann is finally getting it is cause he using players that are very technical, good passing and control the tempo with the ball. I like so far what Donovan, Holden, Bedoya, Mixx and maybe Torres and Corona are doing going forward and attack. Donovan is showing that he is one of the missing puzzle to the USNMT A Team. Holden and Mixx are getting notice and Bedoya is a guy that can play in the wing.
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Lilshmike
Post #14
Thursday July 11, 2013 2:21pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 504
Ok, I'm just gonna say this. A coach isn't going to be getting big wins right out of the gate. It takes time. Time to implement his system. Time for the players to adjust. Time for the coach to fully understand what he has at his disposal. I have been saying this all along.

And another thing...

As long as Cherundolo is fit and playing in Germany, he WILL BE THE NUMBER 1 RB. Chandler is our number 2 RB right now, as he should be. AT THE CURRENT MOMENT, he is not as good, nor as experienced, as Cherundolo. This is fact.

In addition, as we have seen from the previous year, Fabian Johnson has lost his spot at LB and been promoted to LM. I would expect to see DaMarcus Beasley as the LB, NOT FABIAN JOHNSON, in the WC. Not that F.Johnson is not good enough or Beasley is better, but Johnson has been our best LM so far and Beasley has done OUTSTANDING as a serviceable LB. Not only that, but at any point in time it allows the two to switch positions with ease on counters, if one is out of position, etc. It has worked. It makes sense. It is the best option we have AT THE MOMENT.

jtsccr12
Post #15
Thursday July 11, 2013 2:28pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 80
Original post from Lilshmike

In addition, as we have seen from the previous year, Fabian Johnson has lost his spot at LB and been promoted to LM. I would expect to see DaMarcus Beasley as the LB, NOT FABIAN JOHNSON, in the WC. Not that F.Johnson is not good enough or Beasley is better, but Johnson has been our best LM so far and Beasley has done OUTSTANDING as a serviceable LB. Not only that, but at any point in time it allows the two to switch positions with ease on counters, if one is out of position, etc. It has worked. It makes sense. It is the best option we have AT THE MOMENT.


As soon as LD is back to being considered for the first team, FJ will no longer be the first choice LM. Expect for LD to be on the left, Zusi on the right, and Dempsey and Altidore up top. Since FJ is better at LB than Beas, I see him starting there and overlapping Donovan. Unfortunately, I see Beas on the bench if LD is in the first team. He will be a heck of a sub though...

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