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2tone
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Post #31
Monday December 23, 2013 4:23pm

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Original post from admsghs27

why is it when an AMERICAN player playing in Europe scores a goal and everyone gets excited ? when at least 80% of MLS players are better than them and our players score on a daily basis ?? " Must be the $ ". Most of our euro players play in leagues much beyond mls.


Hoyos oozes talent. He was considered one of Argentina's and US's top upcoming attacking talents before he had his car crash.

This guy is another attacking mid/Winger. He has the talent and quality to change a game by himself.

I would put the Greek league on the same level as Denmark or the Championship in England which is MLS level.

navi8132
Post #32
Monday December 23, 2013 4:49pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Youth talent is really overrated. That shouldn't be a part of the conversation anymore (its why there are still Adu fans). I want production for a 1st team, consistently, and that and that alone is what will count. Right now, there is minimal evidence to be excited to any degree. This is not like Julian Green where simply being considered a 1st team player for such a giant club is indicative of great talent (maybe). Hoyos plays for an average club.

tylercocinas
Post #33
Monday December 23, 2013 5:00pm

Joined Aug 2012
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All those things are true and Hoyos is talented, but not unlike Charlie Davies, he hasn't displayed the skills that had scouts salivating in a long time. Just because he scores one goal, that isn't cause to start up the USMNT conversation. If the Greek league is on MLS level then he would need performances like this week in and week out between now and March to get his name in the conversation let alone on the roster.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #34
Monday December 23, 2013 6:13pm

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Original post from navi8132

Youth talent is really overrated. That shouldn't be a part of the conversation anymore (its why there are still Adu fans). I want production for a 1st team, consistently, and that and that alone is what will count. Right now, there is minimal evidence to be excited to any degree. This is not like Julian Green where simply being considered a 1st team player for such a giant club is indicative of great talent (maybe). Hoyos plays for an average club.


Just want to point this out: most of the USMNT players playing in Europe play for Average teams in their respective leagues.

Youth talent is overrated? He was called up to Argentina's senior team multiple times to train in 2010 at the tender age of 19. This guy's trajectory was stardom for Argentina.

If he is over his psychological problems, stays in form for OFI Crete, and makes his one-time switch then it's conceivable that he might be called in for the March friendly.

That friendly game will be in Europe according to sources close to USSF and Klinsmann. The friendly is slated for March the 5th on a Wednesday. The MLS season starts three days later on Saturday the 8th which means more than likely Klinsmann will call in specifically European/Mexican based players for that friendly. Hoyos could put himself in contention for that friendly.

I think there is good reason to be excited if Hoyos is regaining the form he showed a few years ago. This is all predicated on him filing a one-time switch, something I think Klinsmann should follow up on with Hoyos.

There are still some concerns about the USMNT's wide play. It's an area Hoyos could provide help at.

MSantoine
Post #35
Monday December 23, 2013 8:12pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from admsghs27

why is it when an AMERICAN player playing in Europe scores a goal and everyone gets excited ? when at least 80% of MLS players are better than them and our players score on a daily basis ?? " Must be the $ ". Most of our euro players play in leagues much beyond mls.


What US players are you talking about. Here is the list of US eligible players who scored more than 10 goals last year.
Wondo (clearly not international level although he keeps getting calls)
Jack Mac (invited to gold cup)
McGee(never scored more than 5 goals in an MLS season before this one).

The year before you can add Eddie Johnson (US regular), Alan Gordon (got looks while hot, was pretty bad this year) Pontius (wants to be brought in but constantly injured), Bruin (keeps being brought in) and Kenny Cooper.

Wondo is the only US player with double digit goals two years in a row. He gets consistent call ups but is a forawrd only. Zusi isnt a consistent scorer. Neither is Brad Davis. So its ok to bring them in but not Hoyos? We arent teaming with world class goal scorers in MLS or abroad.

dolcem
Post #36
Tuesday December 24, 2013 12:09am

Joined Nov 2012
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What 2tone said. And it's not just that Hoyos was "young talent," this is someone who before the accident was playing at an extremely high level. There are only a handful of American players in history who could have made it into the Estudiantes starting line-up, and Hoyos was doing this as a teenager. And getting called to train with the Argentine senior national team.

Original post from admsghs27

@dolcem great posts. We all knowu r tjsoccer, dolcem, and tiger come on long posts u mask urself. Good posts and knowledge... There are other users close but cannot accuse yet...


Thanks for the kind words. I do (sometimes) try to put a lot of effort into my posts, which end up being long and probably scare people off (in this internet age we're in no one can read paragraphs anymore). Hope I didn't come off as a dick about the spelling thing, I was just trying to help. Tjsoccer is the only DL I've ever made, which was very short-lived and for comedic purposes (as well as proving a few points and bringing up some issues we fans will have to face in the future). Tiger isn't my DL and I have no reason to make another user...I'd rather just express my opinions on this account.
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Bshredder
Post #37
Tuesday December 24, 2013 3:55pm

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The reality is that the state of the team right now that is to develop chemistry and cohesion.

The team has been building to the World Cup for three years. If a new player off the radar gets unusually hot, you can make an exception. But for now, it would take something special for an uncapped player to even realistically be in the player pool.

Right now, you're looking at a player for an average team in Greece who has scored one goal in three years since his car crash. Even this season, he has played less than 600 minutes

He's worth keeping an eye on but the odds of him breaking into the USMNT before the WC are extraordinarily slim.

If the U.S doesn't have the best players, it has to have a better team that is greater than the sum of its parts.

I'm not convinced that the wide positions for the U.S team are all that bad at the moment: Donovan, F. Johnson, Zusi, Bedoya, and even Brad Davis is more useful than most give him credit for.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #38
Tuesday December 24, 2013 4:22pm

Joined Jul 2012
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I am not convinced with Donovan on the wing anymore(rarely takes players on 1v1, and looks much more comfortable as a striker/second FWD).

Bedoya shows much better as a CAM then he does as a winger(Bedoya is playing more central for Nantes).

Fabian Johnson may not even play as a winger in the WC if Klinsmann deems him much more valuable at LB. But yes I think Fabian is the only player I don't have concerns about at winger if he does in fact start there.

Zusi isn't exactly a wide player either. But he brings value to the team. If you get a proper overlapping RB then Zusi is much more effective

Brad Davis? If only he had more speed. I like Davis as a player, but I think more is required then having a very good left foot.

They are all talented players, but there are concerns at winger.

Not saying Hoyos will make the WC team, but I think the final 23 is far from set. And a March call-up is conceivable.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #39
Tuesday February 4, 2014 2:15am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 2,858
Jeff Carlisle ‏@JeffreyCarlisle 8m

OFI Crete has ended loan w/former Argentina U-20 int'l (& US citizen) Michael Hoyos. US rep @tphilipakos says Hoyos interested in #MLS

skangles
DC
Post #40
Tuesday February 4, 2014 2:35am

Joined Jan 2013
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I've never seen him play so the MLS would be a satisfying move for me.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #41
Tuesday February 4, 2014 2:40am

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Hoyos needs to come to MLS. Thought he should have come to MLS instead of Greece in the first place.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #42
Tuesday February 4, 2014 3:15am

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He also doesn't have to go through any kind of draft to come to MLS. If a team wants him they can sign him. I wonder if any MLS team as a discovery claim on him? I know Seattle was looking to sign him before he went to Greece. Makes me wonder if Seattle has a discovery claim on him?

Look out if Seattle makes a play for him. Sounders on paper will be scary good with Hoyos in the mix.

Bshredder
Post #43
Tuesday February 4, 2014 7:07am

Joined Aug 2011
Total Posts: 1,459
He's probably good enough for MLS as a role-player somewhere.

I'm happy he has a career but it's a sad story in terms of what could have been due to the car crash. It's a Charlie Davies-like situation.

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