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4bc
North Carolina
Post #91
Thursday October 31, 2013 5:19am

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 23
Agree with previous posts regarding how little emotion needs to be expended on dual nationals. And I can't agree more with the point that the ultimate 50,000 ft. goal is to activate the US public. We all know you can't do that with marque players that have no attachment to the US, don't speak English, and will ultimately go home to Germany or elsewhere. Jones, F. Johnson, Diskerud, Johannsson, Boyd, maybe Chandler... passport players are starting to stack up. As soccer in the US continues to grow our homegrown talent pool will grow with it. If we jump the gun and rely too heavily on passport players, the big picture will just take longer to achieve. Fans need to be patient. The only thing worse than not finishing well in the WC is finishing just a bit better with a team that the rest of the country outside this board won't be able to relate to.

And Lilshmike... I don't agree at all with your assessment of the German people and there attitudes towards US soccer, JK, and Americans in general. They moved on from WWII (and WWI... really?) decades ago and recognize that war was on them. After those world wars there was the Cold War we helped them win/survive. And if they were still holding a grudge over WWII, almost every country in Europe would be much further up their s-list. JK is still very much a hero there and the US/German relationship is fine.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #92
Thursday October 31, 2013 5:52am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,199
Original post from Lilshmike

In all honesty, I think it was probably Klinsmann who pulled the plug.

Like I have stated multiple times on this website, the higher ups in German football do not like the USA. It is political based from the World Wars and such. The older generation dislikes Americans because that is the culture they were brought up in, similar to old white people in the south hating black people.

Relating to Klinsmann, he is hated by those people for "Americanizing" himself and "turning his back" on his country. Those people are unfortunately the ones who run German football. They have their hands in the national team and their biggest clubs (like Bayern Munich).


Completely disagree with that. Most of the German population, and I mean MOST, have tried to distance themselves as far as possible from anything Germany during that time....get ahold of some of the history books they have in the classrooms. It's sad. Even during those times, it wasn't like Germany was completely unified prior to and during WW2....there were plenty of fractures at all levels, not to mention that most of population was blinded to what Hilter was actually doing, as soon as the truth came out then it began to get worse. That's why there were quite a few attempts on Hitler's life by Germans.

MSantoine
Post #93
Thursday October 31, 2013 12:23pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,190
Original post from USnLFCfan

Completely disagree with that. Most of the German population, and I mean MOST, have tried to distance themselves as far as possible from anything Germany during that time....get ahold of some of the history books they have in the classrooms. It's sad. Even during those times, it wasn't like Germany was completely unified prior to and during WW2....there were plenty of fractures at all levels, not to mention that most of population was blinded to what Hilter was actually doing, as soon as the truth came out then it began to get worse. That's why there were quite a few attempts on Hitler's life by Germans.


Agree. And thats why afterwards Germany split itself into two countires, East & west and built a big wall

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #94
Thursday October 31, 2013 12:28pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 426
Original post from 4bc

Agree with previous posts regarding how little emotion needs to be expended on dual nationals. And I can't agree more with the point that the ultimate 50,000 ft. goal is to activate the US public. We all know you can't do that with marque players that have no attachment to the US, don't speak English, and will ultimately go home to Germany or elsewhere. Jones, F. Johnson, Diskerud, Johannsson, Boyd, maybe Chandler... passport players are starting to stack up. As soccer in the US continues to grow our homegrown talent pool will grow with it. If we jump the gun and rely too heavily on passport players, the big picture will just take longer to achieve. Fans need to be patient. The only thing worse than not finishing well in the WC is finishing just a bit better with a team that the rest of the country outside this board won't be able to relate to.

And Lilshmike... I don't agree at all with your assessment of the German people and there attitudes towards US soccer, JK, and Americans in general. They moved on from WWII (and WWI... really?) decades ago and recognize that war was on them. After those world wars there was the Cold War we helped them win/survive. And if they were still holding a grudge over WWII, almost every country in Europe would be much further up their s-list. JK is still very much a hero there and the US/German relationship is fine.


It is all about best available. You write so glowingly about US assistance in the Europe, yet disparage the offspring of the soldiers very easily as "passport players".
Ease up on them would you? You cant expect people to be celibates for 20 or 30 years, when they are in German, they do have some fun and make some kids (aka passport players)...
Please do remember, it is all about "best available".

Btw, I am a dual national (in reverse), and in my line of work, if there is a talented resource, I dont complain that he/she is taking over my work, I just accept the fact and move on. Not knowing English is not the end of the World either... take a chill pill for the cause.

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #95
Thursday October 31, 2013 12:40pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 426
Original post from MSantoine

Agree. And thats why afterwards Germany split itself into two countires, East & west and built a big wall


Wall went up due to the cold war between Soviet Union and the West, not any particular internal conflict.

admsghs27
Post #96
Thursday October 31, 2013 1:58pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,189
Who dint see this coming. Easy to predict. Maybe he accepts a sub 20 call up in the fallowing camp lol. would love to see arriola called, at least just for training if not the sub 20 for sure. Im positive someone/coach in germany told him something that changes his mind. Maybe a call up for germanys next friendly. Or friendlies next yr at azteca, barranquilla.

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #97
Thursday October 31, 2013 2:11pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 426
Being an eternal optimist, I like what BS had to say in the article.

http://www.yanks-abroad.com/content.php?mode=...

On a positive note, we have had two great gains, AJ and JAB, something to smile about.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #98
Thursday October 31, 2013 2:51pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,052
It seems to me that some people may need to read some history books.

This is about an American born German deciding his international fate. It has nothing to do with any sort of political tensions that may or may not exist between Germany and the US. And as far as I know German and US relations are fine.

If he chooses to rep the US then I will be the first one to welcome him to the fold. If he doesn't then who cares. The USMNT will continue to get better with or without Julian Green.

Jzaval01
Post #99
Monday November 4, 2013 5:08pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,574
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1679/us-nation...

Green called up for Germany U19. If he accepts I think its quiet clear after that, that the USA is his second choice.

MSantoine
Post #100
Monday November 4, 2013 5:13pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,190
Original post from Jzaval01

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1679/us-nation...

Green called up for Germany U19. If he accepts I think its quiet clear after that, that the USA is his second choice.


I think its been quite clear from the beginning we are his second choice. Just as we were 2nd choice for Jones, Chandler, Parker,etc. Who would chose USA over Germany at this stage.

Know Nothing
Post #101
Monday November 4, 2013 5:22pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 370
Original post from MSantoine

I think its been quite clear from the beginning we are his second choice. Just as we were 2nd choice for Jones, Chandler, Parker,etc. Who would chose USA over Germany at this stage.


Well said MSantoine!

Everyone's goal is to play in and win a WC. Until we consistently prove otherwise, we will be second choice for those who can represent a more established team. That is why Rossi chose Italy and Subotic chose (damn, the country's name escapes me at the moment).

Jzaval01
Post #102
Monday November 4, 2013 5:33pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,574
Original post from Know Nothing

Well said MSantoine!

Everyone's goal is to play in and win a WC. Until we consistently prove otherwise, we will be second choice for those who can represent a more established team. That is why Rossi chose Italy and Subotic chose (damn, the country's name escapes me at the moment).

He choose Serbia. A country who didnt even qualify to the world cup lol

MSantoine
Post #103
Monday November 4, 2013 6:04pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,190
Original post from Jzaval01

He choose Serbia. A country who didnt even qualify to the world cup lol


You realize he started a game in the 2010 world cup for serbia and that this is the first world cup in there countries history that they failed to qualify. Hard to knock someone for joining a team considered a dark horse to make a deep run when he made his choice, and one that knocked off Germany.

The scary thought is Bosnia approached him first but at the time they werent very good. Imagine him anchoring their backline? They'd be almost impossible to beat

richieJkulesaNY
Post #104
Monday November 4, 2013 6:29pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 945
Original post from Jzaval01

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1679/us-nation...

Green called up for Germany U19. If he accepts I think its quiet clear after that, that the USA is his second choice.


First choice or second choice, the fact is he can actually play in these U19 Germany games. I wouldnt really be too concerned about this until next fall.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #105
Monday November 4, 2013 7:10pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,052
He is already tied to Germany's U-19 team. Of course he is going to accept another call-up. Christ people need to chill.

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