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Lilshmike
Post #76
Wednesday October 30, 2013 9:33pm

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I don't mean for this to sound like a conspiracy theory or anything with the higher ups in German football, but its the truth.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #77
Wednesday October 30, 2013 9:34pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Does he speak any English? If not and he starts learning, that's a pretty good indicator of where he's planning on landing.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #78
Wednesday October 30, 2013 9:40pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Oh well. Time to look at young talented options that want to be in the USMNT i.e. Arriola and Holmes.

Bshredder
Post #79
Wednesday October 30, 2013 9:49pm

Joined Aug 2011
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Original post from 2tone

Oh well. Time to look at young talented options that want to be in the USMNT i.e. Arriola and Holmes.


Bingo.

The whole point of international football is that there is a common bond among the players/fans/etc.

If a player doesn't feel that bond, it's not worth losing sleep. It wasn't meant to be.

If that bond isn't important to you, it's best to stick to club football. American fans do get caught up in losing dual nationals.

Maybe Green comes around and maybe he doesn't... it doesn't matter.

It's only worth winning with players that really want to be there. Otherwise, what's the point of having international soccer?

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #80
Wednesday October 30, 2013 10:13pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,567
Original post from Bshredder

Bingo.

The whole point of international football is that there is a common bond among the players/fans/etc.

If a player doesn't feel that bond, it's not worth losing sleep. It wasn't meant to be.

If that bond isn't important to you, it's best to stick to club football. American fans do get caught up in losing dual nationals.

Maybe Green comes around and maybe he doesn't... it doesn't matter.

It's only worth winning with players that really want to be there. Otherwise, what's the point of having international soccer?


Agreed. No sense in getting angry about it. Green now knows the US is interested in him. If he doesn't want to be apart of the USMNT then there is no use crying over spilt milk.

blaise213
Post #81
Wednesday October 30, 2013 11:28pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,111
Ill cry when Shawn Parker comes aboard!

Julians dad is probably pissed off!

Loche Achles
Post #82
Wednesday October 30, 2013 11:39pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 279
Not a big deal IMO. The beautiful thing is we are finally at a place where in the grand scheme (as of now) this doesn't matter. We can often win these guys against Euro countries now (which is nice) and also don't have to. We have respectable options "of our own".

It really amazes me where we are these days, depth and possibility wise, compared to in the 90s. I can't even believe I was hyped back then!

navi8132
New York
Post #83
Thursday October 31, 2013 12:31am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,122
Julian still doesn't have a single minute of 1st team football and more likely than not won't have a single minute of 1st team football by the time of Brazil WC. Would any of you actually give this person significant minutes in WC? If not, then who cares if he is waiting out GER.

Bshredder
Post #84
Thursday October 31, 2013 1:19am

Joined Aug 2011
Total Posts: 1,459
An update

http://www.yanks-abroad.com/content.php?mode=...

dolcem
Post #85
Thursday October 31, 2013 2:08am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Original post from Bshredder

Bingo.

The whole point of international football is that there is a common bond among the players/fans/etc.

If a player doesn't feel that bond, it's not worth losing sleep. It wasn't meant to be.

If that bond isn't important to you, it's best to stick to club football. American fans do get caught up in losing dual nationals.

Maybe Green comes around and maybe he doesn't... it doesn't matter.

It's only worth winning with players that really want to be there. Otherwise, what's the point of having international soccer?


Excellent post.

Dual nationals are great to add to the mix but they come with two disadvantages.

The first is that since they haven't been brought up in the American system, they will struggle to fit into the USNT. Jones is a perfect example of this...his club resume is probably the best of any American field player in history yet he has never looked that good with the USNT.

The second is the connection with the fans. When an American player does well, it makes me damn proud. Coming from a country with such an underdeveloped culture and development system but still succeeding at the highest level is a massive accomplishment and a testament to the American spirit. When a dual national does well, it doesn't mean anything to me. I hope he does well and replicates that performance for the NT but it doesn't make me proud. I'm wondering what will happen if we have a dual national who becomes a world class player, far better than any we've ever had. How much of a hero will he be to us? For me he'd never be a Dempsey or a Howard, even if he played for Barcelona. And of course we have to remember we are selling this sport to the American public...the one selling point we have is that you can root for your country in this sport. But it will be a lot less appealing to American viewers if players on the team have foreign accents. Rooting for them won't feel patriotic at all (even anti-patriotic for some).

Taking these drawbacks into account, for a dual national to become part of our setup, he has to be a very good player who proves he can fit into our system (and works his tail off, of course) and one that shows some affinity for the US and its fans. If not, there is absolutely nothing to be upset about...we're lucky to get these guys to begin with and when they opt to play for a different country, we're not losing anything. You can't lose something you never had. Now when guys like Rossi, Subotic, and Hoyos ditch us...that's when you can bring out the pitchforks.
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Chrisou101
Post #86
Thursday October 31, 2013 2:10am

Joined Nov 2012
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Hoyos is still eligible for usa, he's not yet cap tied to Argentina.

dolcem
Post #87
Thursday October 31, 2013 2:23am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Original post from Chrisou101

Hoyos is still eligible for usa, he's not yet cap tied to Argentina.


True, I'm referring to the blind rage I felt after he committed to Argentina at one point. Doesn't matter now though, the car accident effectively ended his career. Such a shame. He had the potential to be the best American field player ever.

How many other countries lost two great young prospects to car accidents in the same year? That is quite a stat.
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Chrisou101
Post #88
Thursday October 31, 2013 2:35am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 626
Yeah I know how you feel when he commited to Argentina at the point. So did both brothers get into a car crash?

dolcem
Post #89
Thursday October 31, 2013 2:40am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Original post from Chrisou101

Yeah I know how you feel when he commited to Argentina at the point. So did both brothers get into a car crash?


No I don't think Kevin was in the car...I was referring to Charlie Davies.
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Chrisou101
Post #90
Thursday October 31, 2013 2:46am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 626
Did some research, it was michael who got into a the accident. If Davies never got into the accident he and altidore would've been a lethal pair.

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