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Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #31
Friday October 25, 2013 3:59am

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Original post from 2tone

Would you feel the same if the best available does not include Dempsey or Donovan?


I would most definitely feel the same way if the best didn't include them. Perhaps not Donovan but definitely Dempsey. The best 11 is the best 11. Plain and simple. Julian green has talent. It's just whether it converts to actual skill or not. If that means sacrificing Dempsey then so be it.

Bshredder
Post #32
Friday October 25, 2013 4:10am

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I honestly haven't seen enough from Julian Green to get a handle on how good he is. I doubt anyone here has.

The fact that he's at a big club and doing well is good but it's far from conclusive. Fabian Hurzeler did well for Bayern Munich's youth teams too.

People forget, it's such a huge jump from reserve team to first team. Even the first team of a 2.Bundesliga team is much, much better than the reserve team of Bayern Munich. Bayern Munich's U23s were just relegated out of the 3.Liga last year.

I'm not trying to throw a wet blanket on the party here because the U.S should try to get all the top prospects it can. But without first team minutes it's tough to tell. He could be great, or he could be another Hurzeler. Most reserve team players at Bayern won't really have an impact at the pro level but a few will become stars.

For me, it's worth keeping an eye on all prospects. It's worth getting excited about the ones seeing first team minutes - Arriola, Gil, Holmes, and most of all Brooks. Even if Shawn Parker switched, it would be bigger news.

We will see

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #33
Friday October 25, 2013 4:11am

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Original post from Fraser31

I would most definitely feel the same way if the best didn't include them. Perhaps not Donovan but definitely Dempsey. The best 11 is the best 11. Plain and simple. Julian green has talent. It's just whether it converts to actual skill or not. If that means sacrificing Dempsey then so be it.


Ok just making sure. To be honest I think one of them will not be starting come the 2014 WC, and I tend to lean more towards Donovan being on the bench. IMO opinion Donovan could be a hell of a super sub.

But I wouldn't be surprised if neither of them contribute a whole lot to the success of the USMNT at the WC.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #34
Friday October 25, 2013 4:14am

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Original post from Bshredder

I honestly haven't seen enough from Julian Green to get a handle on how good he is. I doubt anyone here has.

The fact that he's at a big club and doing well is good but it's far from conclusive. Fabian Hurzeler did well for Bayern Munich's youth teams too.

People forget, it's such a huge jump from reserve team to first team. Even the first team of a 2.Bundesliga team is much, much better than the reserve team of Bayern Munich. Bayern Munich's U23s were just relegated out of the 3.Liga last year.

I'm not trying to throw a wet blanket on the party here because the U.S should try to get all the top prospects it can. But without first team minutes it's tough to tell. He could be great, or he could be another Hurzeler. Most reserve team players at Bayern won't really have an impact at the pro level but a few will become stars.

For me, it's worth keeping an eye on all prospects. It's worth getting excited about the ones seeing first team minutes - Arriola, Gil, Holmes, and most of all Brooks. Even if Shawn Parker switched, it would be bigger news.

We will see


In light of my previous post I agree. Don't want to confuse anyone. I want my best 11. But I also want young guys to be implemented into the 1st team but only as it's appropriate. Gil, brooks, and Arriola have all proven themselves in the first team (for the most part). But green still is unproven in the first team. I'd like to seeote but he still tops off a very talented pool we have coming in.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #35
Friday October 25, 2013 4:18am

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I lean more towards Dempsey not starting. That's just because of his recent performances. I still rate Donovan as our best creative midfielder. Perhaps I'm wrong but that's how I feel.

Dam
Chandler, AZ
Post #36
Friday October 25, 2013 4:21am

Joined Aug 2013
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While I hope Green accepts a callup....If he does, I expect that it will be simply to evaluate the USMNT set up. I don't expect him to file his switch in time to play.
For those wondering how he may fit in....He'd be competing with the likes of Shea, Corona, Davis, and other wing fringe players.
As it stands the outside backs and wingers are the area's where there is the most potential for someone to leap-frog into a selection for the 23 going to the WC.
Keeper, Striker and CM's are deep....RB/LB have options, but need to be solidified. Wings are decent but no-one is really standing out. IMO these November Friendlies are a chance to really see up close how players stack up against one another. Players I want called in
Outside Backs: Evans, Beasley, Chandler, Lichaj
Outside Mids: Zusi, Donovan, F. Johnson, Bedoya, etc....

blaise213
Post #37
Friday October 25, 2013 5:59am

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Original post from Bshredder

Even if Shawn Parker switched, it would be bigger news.


Thats the one player I am waiting for. He had a nice goal last game.

munns5986
Post #38
Friday October 25, 2013 2:18pm

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Having not followed Green at all I have a question. I know he is on the reserves of Bayern's team and people talk about these other players who are getting first team minutes. Would Green get those same first team minutes if he wasn't on one of the top teams in the world? Again I know nothing about this kid just trying to get a perspective.

Loche Achles
Post #39
Friday October 25, 2013 2:29pm

Joined Feb 2013
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Original post from munns5986

Having not followed Green at all I have a question. I know he is on the reserves of Bayern's team and people talk about these other players who are getting first team minutes. Would Green get those same first team minutes if he wasn't on one of the top teams in the world? Again I know nothing about this kid just trying to get a perspective.


To be honest no one has seen enough of him to tell you so that's half the problem. But it isn't usually that easy... Going from reserve or backup or anything like that even at the best clubs to first team practically anywhere is a tough thing. If not, a lot of the mid-tier leagues would be swollen with ex-reserve guys... But they aren't.

We'll see with Green, and I doubt he demanded a WC spot (that is Vela level bs) but if he did he can dream on. Gotta earn your spot on this squad.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #40
Friday October 25, 2013 3:30pm

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Exciting times though, exciting times.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #41
Friday October 25, 2013 3:40pm

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With the way international soccer is going and it seems like every player in the world can be tied to at least two countries, I say screw it and promise him Brazil.

Obviously Klinsmann and Co. rate this kid. My guess is he could probably play and succeed in the MLS right now. I'm not saying Green should come in and start or anything, unless of course he earns it, but would it really be that bad if he took the last roster slot for Brazil? If all that potential pans out over the next few years, we wont have to woryy about him playing the Timmy Chandler game.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #42
Friday October 25, 2013 3:53pm

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I would say that Green could be very successful in MLS.

The kid has scored 12 goals in 12 games for Bayern Munich 2.

admsghs27
Post #43
Friday October 25, 2013 4:21pm

Joined Nov 2012
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He is the 3rd leading scorer in the regiollena division.. Which has 90 teams. That is very very impressive.. Were talking 3rd out of 2,000 players or so...

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #44
Friday October 25, 2013 4:43pm

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Original post from admsghs27

He is the 3rd leading scorer in the regiollena division.. Which has 90 teams. That is very very impressive.. Were talking 3rd out of 2,000 players or so...


Yep, also considering that he is only 18 years old, and gets moved form CF to both winger positions quite a bit as well. He will be a very welcome addition to the USMNT if he decides to file that one-time switch, especially for both winger positions

nskarie
Post #45
Friday October 25, 2013 5:14pm

Joined Dec 2012
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As great as Julian Green would be I would be much, much more ecstatic if this was Shawn Parker. Kids a gamer.

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