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recycledhumans
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Post #16
Monday July 1, 2013 2:26pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,467
"Controversy" is one way of putting it in reference to the Phila-Dallas match...shambolic officiating, as eivdenced by the yellow card to Castillo just after the first minute. He didn't get everything wrong, but that first yellow card set the tone for the game and one bad decision after the next just snowballed to conspire against Dallas.

Let me start my review by first and foremost congratulating Philadelphia on a really hard fought match and a really quality performance. That being said, they were the ones that deserved a draw, we deserved a win.

The officiating was poor to say the least, I've never seen so many yellow cards being given in such a tamely mannered match. I believe it was 5 cards combined in the first half...but the real turning point of the match was the red card decision. Watson makes a nifty stepover at the top of the box and flicks on toward Blas, and is fouled as he attempts to move past a late challenge. Some may say that it wasn't a foul, but the unbiased national broadcasting crew were skeptical at first until watching the replay and seeing the knees of the players colliding. While Watson may have made the most of it, there was definite contact and should not have been a yellow card, even if he hadn't been previously booked; the similar booking of a Phila player (can't recall who it was) later in the match was also unwarranted.

Number two on the bad calls list is the goal-that-wasn't from Blas in the 88th, I could tell watching the screen in real time that it had gone over the line, but given the "field level" view that the head official has, I'm not surprised he didn't see it. I am surprised, and indeed quite miffed, that the assistant did not spot this. This was because he was still tracking back (what appeared to be as fast as he could while still watching the action) to get on the goal line. This is a problem because there were already players near or even on the goal line. Isn't it his job to be in line with the last defender? I understand not being completely able to keep up with the backline, but dammit man there was a defender on the line and you're still running to get caught up? Shameful!

I'm glad that we were able to snag a point in the end but it was tight...the Zimm/Hedges backline looks good but it'll take some time to iron out the wrinkles, both in the partnership and Zimm himself, and experience is the only thing that'll do that. Philadelhpia were unlucky not to net at least a couple more goals...the chances were there but the finishing wasn't. The JackMac/Conor Casey tandem is way more potent than I would have expected, I can defnitely see them being in contention for the playoffs if they can both stay healthy. Okugo looked really good and was making a lot of smart decisions. An extremely entertaining match, albeit a frustrating one too, with lots of positives to be taken away for both teams.

Bshredder
Post #17
Monday July 1, 2013 3:09pm

Joined Aug 2011
Total Posts: 1,459
I have to say, it was a great weekend for MLS. Quality goals, controversy, close games, etc.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #18
Monday July 1, 2013 4:48pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,345
Gonzo could very well lose his USMNT starting role as well if he continues to be this poor defensively for club and country.

chillguy1992
Post #19
Monday July 1, 2013 7:20pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,118
I think the problem with gonzalez is that both bruce arena and jurgen klinsmann seem very unlikely to bench him no matter how poor his form is. If you rewatch any previous games with the mens national team you can see just how important besler is. If it wasnt for beslers good form gonzalez probably would be benched by now because the results are a little decieving for the mens national team. Even though we havent conceded many goals it does not mean that we have found our cb pairing for the future. I actually prefer cameron to gonzalez at centerback at the moment. However if gonzalez can get back in form then I have no problem with gonzo being back in the 11.

A problem I can see in the near future is what if gonzo or cameron arent able to establish the centerback position. The problem is with klinsmanns decision to name goodson and onyewu to the preliminary squad is that neither of those players can challenge gonzo for the starting role and they are getting older. George John, Matt Hedges and amobi okugo pick any two of these three or all three should have been called for the gold cup and they could challenge gonzo for the starting job. Instead we have two players one in onyewu who lacks pace and is past his prime. The other goodson who has been erractic for the national team always makes one mistake a game and has never impressed me. Instead we face the possibilty that in january we see these guys, rather then see them now and integrate them into the mens national team. Dont be suprised in the future if the reluctance to bench gonzalez comes back to bite us.

Mojofc
Post #20
Monday July 1, 2013 7:30pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 966
Original post from chillguy1992
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A problem I can see in the near future is what if gonzo or cameron arent able to establish the centerback position. The problem is with klinsmanns decision to name goodson and onyewu to the preliminary squad is that neither of those players can challenge gonzo for the starting role and they are getting older. George John, Matt Hedges and amobi okugo pick any two of these three or all three should have been called for the gold cup and they could challenge gonzo for the starting job. Instead we have two players one in onyewu who lacks pace and is past his prime. The other goodson who has been erractic for the national team always makes one mistake a game and has never impressed me. Instead we face the possibilty that in january we see these guys, rather then see them now and integrate them into the mens national team. Dont be suprised in the future if the reluctance to bench gonzalez comes back to bite us.


I think this is the main story of the 35 and now has become part of the 23 story as well.

The callups at CB are truly shocking and are in my opinion on the verge of pure idiocy.

I'm fine with Gonzo and Besler seeing some more time together after the group stages, but realistically no one else on the 35 has a realistic ability to challenge these players at this point in time of their careers aside from possibly Boca but that's only if he can regain form and see minutes in the MLS and show his speed hasn't regressed as much as we fear.
Rain, rain, go away Come again another day - USMNT, MUFC
MSantoine
Post #21
Monday July 1, 2013 7:43pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
The main problem I see is that we love to put team based results above individual results. Since we are riding a 5 game unbeaten streak, barring injury theres no way JK will change the defense even if it looks like there are better options. You can find people calling for Evans to start at RB going forward simply because we beat the worst two teams in the group, and a Honduras team missing 4 or 5 of its top players. But thats the American mentality so the only way I see Omar get removed is if we lose to CR & Mexico in Sept.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #22
Monday July 1, 2013 7:54pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,467
Unless they're real game changers like Lando or Duece, I think any player over 30, especially CBs, should automatically be given a lower priority than CBs 25 and under. Especially now that the U20's are over, i'd really like to see O'Neill given a chance with the senior side while he's still riding high from his U20 WC form. Moreover, I think Zimmerman's club form warrants a minor tourney berth like the GC, more so than Gooch at least...Zimm/Oneill is probably going to be the CB pairing for 2022 and should start getting as much time together as possible.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #23
Monday July 1, 2013 8:37pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,345
Cb's that can push there way into USMNT contention this season:

JAB: If he chooses the US. Besler is the best CB in the pool right now. Both Besler and JAB play LCB, but I think Besler could definitely play RCB to accomadate Brooks at LCB.

Hines: He faded down the stretch last season. Klinsmann has stated that he has been monitoring him. He will have to be a consistent starter for Middlesbrough to really unseat Gonzo.

Okugo: Really should be on the Gold CUp team. I think his height will continue to hamper him. A Okugo/Besler partnership would be a cerebral partnership, but it would lack in Physical attributes. Okugo stands at 5'11" while Besler stands at 6'0".

John: He has to stay healthy

Gooch: A good God Cup and then a subsequent move could really help his chances.

I think Besler is a lock, but Gonzo could be replaced before the WC. These are the CB's gunning for him.

Bshredder
Post #24
Monday July 1, 2013 8:51pm

Joined Aug 2011
Total Posts: 1,459
Hedges should be on the list as well. He'll likely be a January callup

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #25
Monday July 1, 2013 9:20pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,467
Gooch is too slow. He's strong, and tall, and has a decent positional sense, but he's sloooooowwww. If the Confed Cup showed us anything, CBs at the highest level need recovery speed and tackling ability more than size and strength. You don't put 3 past Spain without having dynamic runs that split the defenders, and the ability to recover in those situations is going to be the difference between conceding a corner or conceding a shot on goal.

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