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Dave
Post #76
Thursday June 22, 2017 2:17am

Joined Jul 2014
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Original post from hamsamwich

Follow that to its logical conclusion... Wagner coaches Williams in the premier league.

I just don't see how he doesn't make the Russia squad as the box to box midfielder next to Bradley. He is currently, and will be in 2018, a better player than Acosta. Especially with Bradley dedicated to playing the 6, it has to be Williams in that box to box role for my money.


I believe that if our formation is a 4-2-3-1 than Williams would be an excellent partner for Bradley at the #8 position. He can match Acosta for energy & ground coverage, has more experience and more grit. Without seeing them against the same level of competition can't really compare their comfort on the ball and passing abilities.

If by Acosta turns out to be better (chemistry, passing, etc...) than Williams should still be considered a prime candidate to be the # 2 for both Acosta & Bradley. At least until a viable RCB steps up enough to allow Cameron to push Bradley to the Bench.

goods
Post #77
Thursday June 22, 2017 3:35am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 311
I think this is a great move for Williams and explains why he was not on the Gold Cup squad. I think it will push Acosta who is still only 21. A great opportunity for both. It allows Acosta to continue to mature, and this will most likely be Bradley and Williams swan song as both will be pushing that magical age of 30 after Russia.

MSantoine
Post #78
Thursday June 22, 2017 11:42am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,706
The main thing that will effect Williams is what formation Arena settles on. If we stick with a 4-4-2 over a 5-3-2 than I dont think theres a place for him.

In a 4-4-2 we've got Bradley/Pulisic as the central guys and Acosta backing up Bradley with likely Nagbe backing up Pulisic (with Nagbe starting out wide and having a guy like Arriola backing up the wing in case Nagbe kicks in).

In a 3-5-2 Williams might make it as a backup as we have the extra CDM (Acosta) in the starting lineup and could use Williams as the backup to both.

Really I think Williams's biggest hurdle is we are finally starting to add actual attacking guys to our player pool (Arriola, Green, Saief, McKinnie, Morris, etc) that will push guys like Pulisisc/Nagbe back to the central role and keep Bradley/Acosta/Williams all vying for the one defensive midfield spot.

If we get to a point where only one of Williams/Bradley/Acosta is in the starting XI thats a good thing as it means we are finally playing to attack teams and possess the ball and not bunker and counter.

hamsamwich
Post #79
Thursday June 22, 2017 12:23pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,467
@msantoine- I don't see Bruce doing that, not bunkering I mean. We did it against Panama, so it stands to reason that's going to be his game plan against most decent teams.

Rey Regicide
Post #80
Thursday June 22, 2017 1:00pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,766
I have to respectfully disagree, putting Williams/Bradley/Acosta probably won't result in bunker and counter.

It will resemble something like the Dutch game in 2015. If they open up, then we'll get some shots in ourselves.

If they play methodically, we'll resort to counters and passes forward. I don't see any of those guys making quick 1 touch passes in order to retain possession, or dribbling with any effectiveness like Nagbe to get out of pressure.

But then, we've officially came out and said "To hell with possession". So as long as we don't get shot at, which is the real problem. Then so be it. I feel those guys can contribute towards closing down on top level talent and denying comfortable positioning in front of our penalty area.

Know Nothing
Post #81
Thursday June 22, 2017 3:00pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,081
All this talk of Williams replacing Acosta or Bradley. What about a central midfield of Williams and Hyndmann?

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #82
Thursday June 22, 2017 4:36pm

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 159
I would like for us to experiment in friendlies without Bradley. I do not understand why we are trying to find a partner for him.

I was really impressed with Acosta ( I don't watch mls ) but seeing him in mexico he played well-he played some really quick one touch bases in tight spaces and did not looked lost nor intimidated

with him and nagbe ( who can beat people one on one ) and with pulisic who can hold the ball

Hyndmann looks like he can posses the ball and beat people

why not move cameron up the field

point is we have many players coming up the ranks who can actually trap the ball maybe beat someone and advance the ball forward accurately.

why not try that out instead of trying to figure out how to keep bradley not he field..

and if the players do not step up then we can circle back to who to pair with bradley.
Stoked
kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #83
Thursday June 22, 2017 6:41pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 569
Good move for Danny! David Wagner could progress him even more as a player. Hopefully he finds a way back to the USMNT soon! (as an 8)

dunlopp9987
Post #84
Friday June 23, 2017 3:44am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,498
Wait why is everyone talking about his move to Hudds? This isn't a thing is it?
COYB!!
DragonEagle
Sunshine So Cal
Post #85
Friday June 23, 2017 7:19am

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 242
Original post from dunlopp9987

Wait why is everyone talking about his move to Hudds? This isn't a thing is it?


I had the same question, so I Google it

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/38396...
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SamHays1999
Kansas
Post #86
Friday June 23, 2017 7:29am

Joined May 2017
Total Posts: 89
Original post from dunlopp9987

Wait why is everyone talking about his move to Hudds? This isn't a thing is it?


I didn't think it was either, then I looked it up on Twitter. It actually is. Now, I saw The Sun as a source, definitely wouldn't trust that, but I saw it from many sources, though, and some big US Soccer accounts were tweeting about it. It's not official, but it is likely.

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #87
Friday June 23, 2017 1:44pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 569
Original post from SamHays1999

I didn't think it was either, then I looked it up on Twitter. It actually is. Now, I saw The Sun as a source, definitely wouldn't trust that, but I saw it from many sources, though, and some big US Soccer accounts were tweeting about it. It's not official, but it is likely.

Exactly. It will happen.

Dave
Post #88
Saturday June 24, 2017 12:12am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 690
Original post from stoked3
I would like for us to experiment in friendlies without Bradley. I do not understand why we are trying to find a partner for him.


I think most fans would agree. The difficulty is that we don't have many "Friendlies" left at this point. This is why many wanted Williams called into the GC...why Lletget's injury was such a blow...why Roldan is getting a lot of interest....etc. The fans, at least, are looking for alternatives to Bradley and are putting forth names/options. Problem is that there are only so many matches remaining between now and the WC.

Original post from stoked3
why not move cameron up the field


Moving Cameron forward into the CDM roll requires us to find a quality RCB to partner with Brooks. Someone to organize the backline. Most hope this happens, but until Miazga, CCV, or someone else (and don't say ball watching OG), steps up we need to keep Cameron on the backline. Again not much time left to vet a new CB and develop enough chemistry between now and the WC.

stoked3
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Post #89
Sunday June 25, 2017 2:32am

Joined Oct 2014
Total Posts: 159
Original post from Dave

I think most fans would agree. The difficulty is that we don't have many "Friendlies" left at this point. This is why many wanted Williams called into the GC...why Lletget's injury was such a blow...why Roldan is getting a lot of interest....etc. The fans, at least, are looking for alternatives to Bradley and are putting forth names/options. Problem is that there are only so many matches remaining between now and the WC.

Moving Cameron forward into the CDM roll requires us to find a quality RCB to partner with Brooks. Someone to organize the backline. Most hope this happens, but until Miazga, CCV, or someone else (and don't say ball watching OG), steps up we need to keep Cameron on the backline. Again not much time left to vet a new CB and develop enough chemistry between now and the WC.


I agree I do NOT want gonzo. I think hedges or brinbaum could fill in fine, will be interesting to see how Miazga has progressed. as well. Shame chad marshal never got a real look, for me, he is better than gonzo.

lets see how stands out in Gold Cup as I think 3 new players will come into the fold from the tourney
Stoked
Dave
Post #90
Sunday June 25, 2017 4:29am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 690
@stoked3 - Marshal was in contention for the 2010 WC, but struggled with concussions that prevented him from really competing. After 2010 Gonzalez was the rising star that everyone wanted, as it was believed that with enough time/coaching the holes in his game could be overcome. Unfortunately we're still talking about the same flaws 8 yrs later...and looking for the new option who'll be with the team for the next 8+ yrs.

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